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[RStangsOC]

Hey there,

Probably old news - but havent seen this here yet. Found it on another site.

http://www.fordracin.../?article=33872

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[BigEnos]

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Ford BOSS 500 to Power Force Funny Cars, Is there any other way?

Yeah actually, a Chrysler race HEMI!  
  
  
  
  
  
  

Edited by BigEnos, 08 November 2007 - 06:46 AM.

[ilmor]

This is great news, and I think good for the sport. THE reason I lost interest in funny cars years ago was when all manufactures used hemi's.  Hopefully Chevrolet will follow suit!

[Boss500]

[ Boss500 ]      March 4. 2008


Mopar was so popular in top class Drag racing with the HEMI is because of the large open chamber which allowed V / E to be huge. Which again allowed a large extra space left open to be filled by forced induction. Tricking the motor into being larger than normal. It may only be a static 426 cubes. But the V/E plays a huge role in fuel blown race motors. The chambers themselves s ked  . But the ability to have larger valves in your heads than your opponet has in his heads. Gave the advantage to the Hemi.  We've all heard the stories back in the day of how a 440 mopar could beat the pants off the street Hemi in a drag race.                                     440--> <--HEMI --WHY !!        Because the 440 was operating in its natural enviorment.  The Hemi's huge ports was better suited to High Bank NASCAR tracks or Blown fuel Racing. Mopar never made plans for this to be happening. The mechanics and grass-roots drag racers found this out. """Mopar just happen to be building Hemi's """  At the time the horsepower wars began.  Theres no   Albert Eistein working at mopar during this time either.  Talk about being in the right place at the right time.   But if I remember right. 1966 Ford owned the TOP FUEL CLASS championship crown.   ""Sneaky Peak Robinson"" owned that.  Alot of top fuelers were switching over to 427 SOHC Cammer motors during this time.  If you research history in true detail. You'll find Ford ruled in the class's they raced in.   They did there share of  WOOP!! - A..!!.   But Car magizines had a habit of re-writting history as it happened. Written to make the public beleive there was only two races a year in NHRA. The Winternationals and the Nationals.    It still is being reported and written incorrectly today. Present or past.   :      At Least its a FORD HEMI.   Not a JP-1 or ARIES or some generic.   NEWS FLASH !!!!  NEW PRO STOCK CHEVY HEMI.  Developed by IHRA Ford Hemi   King,  and sold off to IHRA Chevy   engine builder. Motor has Fords twisted hemi chambers and valve locations.  Its a HEMI Ford head with     changed valve covers to keep the chevy guys thinking its modified   LS something. Reminds me of the Car magizine articles I mentioned earlier from the 60's. Full of hidden mis-information. But they all tell the story that these new HEMI heads came from the Chevy Guy.  Its sounds like maybe some hush money is involved during contract negotiations to purchase the blueprints of the OLD IHRA ProStock Heads. The NEW ones with the altered valve covers and some iddy bitty changes done to them to upgrade them. Since these heads were first developed back in the early 1990's and used on Ford Pro Stock IHRA motors that were champions 10 years or more.

Edited by Boss500, 04 March 2008 - 07:46 PM.

[Boss500]

ilmor, on Nov 8 2007, 07:37 AM, said:

This is great news, and I think good for the sport. THE reason I lost interest in funny cars years ago was when all manufactures used hemi's.  Hopefully Chevrolet will follow suit!

Look to IHRA for your Chevy Hemi heads.   They are ORIGINALLY FORD BOSS HEADS FROM KASSE PRO STOCK HEADS. Head bolt location moved to fit chev pattern.

Edited by Boss500, 14 March 2008 - 06:15 PM.

[ellis]

THE BOSS IS BACK, yeah right, another scam

http://www.thehemi.c...c9e5d315d4c7271

Edited by ellis, 21 June 2010 - 12:11 PM.

[ellis]

Where are the rebuttals, where is BOSS 500 and all his fictional Ford win stories; state some facts for a change instead of the kiddy emoticons.

Baa, baa, baa; where are the Ford sheep.

[jdbmar]

@ELLIS!

The only problem Robinson, Thompson, Dyno Don and other racers had with the Ford 427 SOHC (which was a Hemispherical Headed Engine)  was the timing chain losing it's timing at high RPMS and breakage of the chain. They simply remedied the problem with a gear drive!  If racers had as many problems with the Ford 427 SOHC as you mention, they wouldn't have even bothered with it!  
The Ford 427 SOHC was highly sucessfull in drag racing.  If it wasn't for NHRA banning the engine because of protests by whinning Chrysler maggots, the SOHC perhaps would be the King today.  
Let's not forget that in '69 NO ONE could beat Mickey Thompsons Mach 1 Nitro FC driven by Danny (on the Gas) Ongais, powered by a FORD 427 SOHC ENGINE.  At the request of the whinning maggots at Chrysler/Dodge Corp, Nascar even banned the Ford 427 SOHC (NEVER) allowing it to be run!   Chyrsler knew, that if Ford was allowed to run the 427 SOHC they wouldn't have stood a chance. otherwise why complain.  Now look at Chysler/Dodge!  Belly Up and Being bought out by FIAT! LOL...  Justice!  FORD WINS.

And lets keep in mind, that the first american HEMI V8 was in fact the FORD Flat Head Ardun HEMI which was built in 1947.  Chrysler never had a V8 for their cars until 1951.  If you study the FORD ARDUN HEMI HEAD, you'll see that Chysler basically copied many ideas from it.  So what goes around comes around!  In addtion, the SO CALLED Mopar Hemi that TF is running today, doesn't even resemble the oriignal 426 Hemi.  You CAN NOT go to Mopar and buy parts for a TF Engine.  So lets be real here!    The TF Engine they run today isn't a MOPAR!
It's either a KB, Donovan or some other after market engine.

FORDS New Boss 500 has significant changes to the TF Engine, Block and Heads.  And racers will be able to purchase the Boss 500 from FORD and JFR soon.  Chrysler hasn't sold a 426 Hemi to TF racers since the early 70s.  

All your rhetoric really holds no water.  You sound like a person that is extremely upset, knowing that Chrysler will soon become history in Nascar and Drag Racing in the near future.  FIAT owns you now!   Live with it.....    : )

Edited by jdbmar, 21 March 2010 - 04:08 AM.

[svttim]

ellis, on 14 June 2008 - 10:27 AM, said:

Where are the rebuttals, where is BOSS 500 and all his fictional Ford win stories; state some facts for a change instead of the kiddy emoticons.

Baa, baa, baa; where are the Ford sheep.

You want facts. When was the last Chrysler Hemi that competed in NHRA? Design, yes, actual motor?? Two posts, go away troll

Edited by svttim, 05 April 2010 - 07:02 AM.

[gothemi]

svttim, on 05 April 2010 - 07:02 AM, said:

You want facts. When was the last Chrysler Hemi that competed in NHRA? Design, yes, actual motor?? Two posts, go away troll

in the two years that ellis silenced the The Boss coming back this is  the only response.  childish rhetoric?

[kahmann]

^Shouldn't you be out enjoying your new Fiat?

[ilmor]

I don't know what to believe....

[svttim]

gothemi, on 27 April 2010 - 09:25 PM, said:

in the two years that ellis silenced the The Boss coming back this is  the only response.  childish rhetoric?

DO you dispute the facts? I didnt think so.

[ellis]

ilmor, on 28 April 2010 - 05:17 AM, said:

I don't know what to believe....

Hey ilmor, here's something you can believe; ok, I'll be 78 on 5/21/10. Don't get around much anymore, no I'm in pretty good shape for 78; rolled my 4-wheeler on 4/1/10 and neck is still sore. OK, I got some links below, THE BOSS SCAM with pictures, my early days building/driving diggers and the TRUTH about Ford. I truly love some of the previous remarks.

http://www.thehemi.c...c9e5d315d4c7271

http://www.nitrogeez...lis Brasher.htm

http://www.allpar.co.../2003/ford.html

[svttim]

ellis, on 16 May 2010 - 12:37 PM, said:

Hey ilmor, here's something you can believe; ok, I'll be 78 on 5/21/10. Don't get around much anymore, no I'm in pretty good shape for 78; rolled my 4-wheeler on 4/1/10 and neck is still sore. OK, I got some links below, THE BOSS SCAM with pictures, my early days building/driving diggers and the TRUTH about Ford. I truly love some of the previous remarks.

http://www.thehemi.c...c9e5d315d4c7271

http://www.nitrogeez...lis Brasher.htm

http://www.allpar.co.../2003/ford.html

First of all and most importantly, Hope you feel better soon.

Im sure yo are well aware, NHRA would not give Ford the go ahead to start with a clean sheet of paper. So, for you to Trash Ford for something they had no control over doesnt add up, We all understand your point of view, we just dont agree. If this was just a warmed over Chrysler, why was it not a winner right out of the box?

Hemispherical cylinder heads have been used since at least 1901;[2] they were used by the Belgian car maker Pipe in 1905,[3] the Peugeot Grand prix Car of 1912, the Alfa Romeo GP car of 1914, Daimler, and Riley. Stutz built four valve engines, conceptually anticipating modern car engines. The BMW double push rod design, taken over by Bristol Cars, the Peugeot 403 and the Toyota T engine are other well known hemi engines. Harry Arminius Miller racing engines were also a notable example.[4]

And how does Chrysler lay claim to the Hemi design? Flat out, they dont. Facts are facts

Edited by svttim, 22 May 2010 - 05:02 AM.

[ellis]

Hey gothemi, thanks for your reply; my guess is you have your head screwed on the right way. In case you read the story about Ford's 100 years of progress and deception and found THE MEMORY HOLE link not working, here's a similar story about Henry and Hitler. You probably are aware that Chrysler developed and tested Hemi aircraft fighter plane engines during WW-2 long before the Ardun appeared which FORD had nothing to do with and it being not much more than a back yard project by the Duntov brothers.
http://www.traces.org/henryford.html

[svttim]

ellis, on 07 June 2010 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hey gothemi, thanks for your reply; my guess is you have your head screwed on the right way. In case you read the story about Ford's 100 years of progress and deception and found THE MEMORY HOLE link not working, here's a similar story about Henry and Hitler. You probably are aware that Chrysler developed and tested Hemi aircraft fighter plane engines during WW-2 long before the Ardun appeared which FORD had nothing to do with and it being not much more than a back yard project by the Duntov brothers.
http://www.traces.org/henryford.html

I guess that since Ford was the first to use the V8, Chrysler copied that. Maybe my history is bad but, I didnt think the dates provided were after WW2. Chrysler was not the original designer of the Hemi combustion chamber, period.

[ellis]

svttim, on 16 June 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

I guess that since Ford was the first to use the V8, Chrysler copied that. Maybe my history is bad but, I didnt think the dates provided were after WW2. Chrysler was not the original designer of the Hemi combustion chamber, period.

In 1939, Chrysler was contracted by the US government to create a new engine for use in fighter aircraft. Chrysler responded by designing an inverted V16, the IV-2220. They tried many designs before choosing a hemispherical combustion chambered OHV head. The big V16 was rated at 2,500 hp (1,900 kW). It was finally tested in June 1945. It was installed in the P-47 Thunderbolt in place of a radial engine. This airplane was designated the XP47H.[5]  The change in engine and aerodynamics increased the top speed from 439 mph (707 km/h) to 504 mph (811 km/h). The war ended shortly after the tests, and the hemi V16 was never mass-produced, although the basic design and valvetrain  setup live on in today's Hemi V8s.

Yes, your automotive history is quite bad, but it could be improved by reading/studying this article.
http://www.allpar.co.../2003/ford.html
And you could possibly learn that there were 3 U. S. autos with V-8 engines before Ford.
And by the way, no one has implied that Chrysler invented the Hemi engine.
A sort of automotive challenge; name one item that Ford ever developed that improved the safety, comfort, convenience or performance of the automobile.
But read the above article first.
Oh, by the way, Henry did get a patent on an anti-kick device for hand cranking in about 1918 when everyone else was working on and improving starters.

Edited by ellis, 24 June 2010 - 12:34 PM.

[svttim]

ellis, on 19 June 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

In 1939, Chrysler was contracted by the US government to create a new engine for use in fighter aircraft. Chrysler responded by designing an inverted V16, the IV-2220. They tried many designs before choosing a hemispherical combustion chambered OHV head. The big V16 was rated at 2,500 hp (1,900 kW). It was finally tested in June 1945. It was installed in the P-47 Thunderbolt in place of a radial engine. This airplane was designated the XP47H.[5]  The change in engine and aerodynamics increased the top speed from 439 mph (707 km/h) to 504 mph (811 km/h). The war ended shortly after the tests, and the hemi V16 was never mass-produced, although the basic design and valvetrain  setup live on in today's Hemi V8s.

Yes, your automotive history is quite bad, but it could be improved by reading/studying this article.
http://www.allpar.co.../2003/ford.html
And you could possibly learn that there were 3 U. S. autos with V-8 engines before Ford.
And by the way, no one has implied that Chrysler invented the Hemi engine.
A sort of automotive challenge; name one item that Ford ever developed that improved the safety, comfort, convenience or performance of the automobile.
But read the above article first.
Oh, by the way, Henry did get a patent on an anti-kick device for hand cranking in about 1918 when everyone else was working on and improving starters.

Your Link doesnt work. Since we have settled the argument that Chrysler didnt invent the Hemi, no need to take this further. We all get you are anti-ford. Just not sure why you bother with TS

[svttim]

ellis, on 19 June 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

In 1939, Chrysler was contracted by the US government to create a new engine for use in fighter aircraft. Chrysler responded by designing an inverted V16, the IV-2220. They tried many designs before choosing a hemispherical combustion chambered OHV head. The big V16 was rated at 2,500 hp (1,900 kW). It was finally tested in June 1945. It was installed in the P-47 Thunderbolt in place of a radial engine. This airplane was designated the XP47H.[5]  The change in engine and aerodynamics increased the top speed from 439 mph (707 km/h) to 504 mph (811 km/h). The war ended shortly after the tests, and the hemi V16 was never mass-produced, although the basic design and valvetrain  setup live on in today's Hemi V8s.

Yes, your automotive history is quite bad, but it could be improved by reading/studying this article.
http://www.allpar.co.../2003/ford.html
And you could possibly learn that there were 3 U. S. autos with V-8 engines before Ford.
And by the way, no one has implied that Chrysler invented the Hemi engine.
A sort of automotive challenge; name one item that Ford ever developed that improved the safety, comfort, convenience or performance of the automobile.
But read the above article first.
Oh, by the way, Henry did get a patent on an anti-kick device for hand cranking in about 1918 when everyone else was working on and improving starters.

Maybe not first but:

Ford was the first company to use V8s en masse. Instead of going to an inline six like its competitors when something larger than an inline four was needed, Ford designed a modern V8, the Flathead of 1932. This flat head engine powered almost all larger Ford cars through the 1953 production year, and was produced until around 1970 by Ford licensees around the world, with the valve-in-block engine powering mostly commercial vehicles.

And Ford is the only one that didnt put its hands in taxpayers pockets. I would say thats pretty significant