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[Grabber]

How's the new set up running for you ?

I love mine !!!

[Abn]

Grabber, on 29 September 2010 - 08:00 PM, said:

It's been a while since I looked at the flywheel numbers, but it appears that you have the same numbers as my car. It's a robust good set up. A race set up. It's stronger than the organic clutch. If you infact have this flywheel.....I would keep it if I was you !!!

That's something to consider.  Besides a little louder 2nd gear chatter below 30-40 mph, I have no shudder or hiss.  The clutch is very light and bites very high.  Almost like driving a different car.  That's why I am a little confused.  The clutch is nothing like my 09 stock clutch.  I didn't have the PCM reprogrammed, so my FRPP power upgrade tune is still intact.  But, if I should have gotten all new parts, I am stil a little p*ssed off.

Edited by Abn, 29 September 2010 - 08:18 PM.

[Grabber]

Abn, on 29 September 2010 - 08:11 PM, said:

That's something to consider.  Besides a louder 2nd gear chatter, I have no shudder or hiss.   I didn't have the PCM reprogrammed, so my FRPP power upgrade tune is still intact.  But, if I should have gotten all new parts, I am stil a little p*ssed off.

You got new parts, just not the 2010 parts. The 2010 parts have a organic clutch and it is much more forgiving for people that do not know how to drive this car and it cuts way down on Fords warranty claims. It's not as strong as a set up that is in my car....and now your car.  Like I said.....I would leave it alone and be happy that you got it. Besides that.....I would not want my tranny removed again if it did not have to be removed.

Edited by Grabber, 29 September 2010 - 08:18 PM.

[Abn]

Grabber, on 29 September 2010 - 08:16 PM, said:

You got new parts, just not the 2010 parts. The 2010 parts have a organic clutch and it is much more forgiving for people that do not know how to drive this car and it cuts way down on Fords warranty claims. It's not as strong as a set up that is in my car....and now your car.  Like I said.....I would leave it alone and be happy that you got it. Besides that.....I would not want my tranny removed again if it did not have to be removed.

I agree about not wanting the tranny removed again, but I am worried that my clutch problems will occur in another 8000 miles.  Wasn't the whole point of the 2010 parts was to avoid the clutch and flywheel problems?  You brought up some good points, though.  That's why I love these forums.  I get more info here than when I call ford svt.  So if they are new parts, are they still better than what I had originally, or just replacements?

Edited by Abn, 29 September 2010 - 08:26 PM.

[6-Speed]

Abn, on 29 September 2010 - 08:23 PM, said:

I agree about not wanting the tranny removed again, but I am worried that my clutch problems will occur in another 8000 miles.  Wasn't the whole point of the 2010 parts was to avoid the clutch and flywheel problems?  You brought up some good points, though.  That's why I love these forums.  I get more info here than when I call ford svt.  So if they are new parts, are they still better than what I had originally, or just replacements?

The source of the problem wasn't the clutch, but the nodular iron flywheel, which potentially warps when heated up.  You now have the upgraded steel flywheel, which is not as prone to warping at high-temps.

Edited by 6-Speed, 29 September 2010 - 08:32 PM.

[Abn]

6-Speed, on 29 September 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

The source of the problem wasn't the clutch, but the nodular iron flywheel, which potentially warps when heated up.  You now have the upgraded steel flywheel, which is not as prone to warping at high-temps.

Well, at least that's reassuring.  The clutch still feels completely different, so if that is not a 2010 part, I don't know why since my car was a late august 08 build. It's very light.  I almost stalled it when I left the dealer until i got used to it.

[Grabber]

6-Speed, on 29 September 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

The source of the problem wasn't the clutch, but the nodular iron flywheel, which potentially warps when heated up.  You now have the upgraded steel flywheel, which is not as prone to warping at high-temps.

Yes +1

I know the engineer that designed this 4100 series steel flywheel and met him personally. We talked at length aboout this flywheel. The old nodular iron one did not dissapte the heat well at all, and the slots in it comprimised the structural integrity of the center of it....so they warped when they got hot. This new one......will last a very long life.

Ford did not change to the organic clutch to help us racers....they changed it to save them warranty claims from people that can't seem to get the hang of driving this car right.

Edited by Grabber, 29 September 2010 - 08:44 PM.

[Grabber]

Abn, on 29 September 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

Well, at least that's reassuring.  The clutch still feels completely different, so if that is not a 2010 part, I don't know why since my car was a late august 08 build. It's very light.  I almost stalled it when I left the dealer until i got used to it.

When the clutch starts to go out the pedal gets heavier. The heavier it gets....the closer it is to failing. It feeling lite now is normal !

I know this because I was with a Ford engineer that tested 20 GT500's at the Dearborn event 2 years ago. He explained the heavyness of the failing clutch to me.

[Abn]

Grabber, on 29 September 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

Yes +1

I know the engineer that designed this 4100 series steel flywheel and met him personally. We talked at length aboout this flywheel. The old nodular iron one did not dissapte the heat well at all, and the slots in it comprimised the structural integrity of the center of it....so they warped when they got hot. This new one......will last a very long life.

Ford did not change to the organic clutch to help us racers....they changed it to save them warranty claims from people that can't seem to get the hang of driving this car right.

Ok, your pic of the flywheel ASY box shows 7R3Z 6375 B.  My invoice says 9R3Z 6375 B.   So, our flywheel ASYs are still the same, right, just different years?

[6-Speed]

Abn, on 29 September 2010 - 08:48 PM, said:

Ok, your pic of the flywheel ASY box shows 7R3Z 6375 B.  My invoice says 9R3Z 6375 B.   So, our flywheel ASYs are still the same, right, just different years?

When I enter 9R3Z6375B on the Silver State Parts.com site, the description comes up as "Flywheel - 5.4 liter 5.4 liter - Manual trans 2009".

7R3Z6375B shows up as "Flywheel - 5.4 liter 5.4 liter - Manual trans 2007 - 2008".

Don't know what the differences are.

Edited by 6-Speed, 29 September 2010 - 09:02 PM.

[Abn]

6-Speed, on 29 September 2010 - 08:57 PM, said:

When I enter 9R3Z6375B on the Silver State Parts.com site, the description comes up as "Flywheel - 5.4 liter 5.4 liter - Manual trans 2009".

7R3Z6375B shows up as "Flywheel - 5.4 liter 5.4 liter - Manual trans 2007 - 2008".

Don't know what the differences are.

I'll assume that it is not much, as long as both are the improved flywheel.

[jcthorne]

I thought those parts were no longer available?  (The improved 2007-9 ceramic clutch and flywheel)

Can anyone confirm the parts can still be ordered and purchased?

[Abn]

jcthorne, on 30 September 2010 - 05:07 AM, said:

I thought those parts were no longer available?  (The improved 2007-9 ceramic clutch and flywheel)

Can anyone confirm the parts can still be ordered and purchased?

Ok, I called my dealer this morning and explained that I may have had the old 08 TSB parts installed instead of the TSB 10-3-8 2010-11 parts.  The dealer's Claim Manager is now on the case to see what the situation is.   I don't know where they got the 07-09 clutch and flywheel parts.  I'll post an update as soon as I get more info.

[Abn]

Well, the dealer confirmed the parts installed are the only ones that come up under my VIN #.  The parts on TSB 10-3-8- do not come up.  I contacted Ford, and they could not bring up the parts either (the "AR" does not come up).  So, I'll go with Grabber's advice and keep what I have.  The shudder and hiss are gone, and even if the flywheel is not the 2010, I will most likely have traded in the car by the time it has another problem.  

That CTS V coupe is looking better all the time.

Edited by Abn, 30 September 2010 - 11:57 AM.

[Joe G]

Grabber, on 08 August 2010 - 07:37 PM, said:

Today marks 2 years since this work was completed. No problems so far. Love the way the car drives and preforms.

True, but as you said you've only put a little over 2000 miles over the past 2 years.  That's not a lot to really tell what may happen in the future.

Grabber, on 29 September 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

Ford did not change to the organic clutch to help us racers....they changed it to save them warranty claims from people that can't seem to get the hang of driving this car right.

"us racers"...    

Didn't know you were a racer Grabboid.  

[Grabber]

Joe G, on 30 September 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

True, but as you said you've only put a little over 2000 miles over the past 2 years.  That's not a lot to really tell what may happen in the future.

True....but they are not pussy miles Joegie.

[Light66]

Joe G, on 30 September 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

True, but as you said you've only put a little over 2000 miles over the past 2 years.  That's not a lot to really tell what may happen in the future.





"us racers"...    

Didn't know you were a racer Grabboid.  

Joe,

I have11,000 miles put on my version of this TSB.  No change since the day it was done.  Still very happy with the installation.

Light66

[Joe G]

Grabber, on 01 October 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

True....but they are not pussy miles Joegie.

[Grabber]

Another year and my car is still running great.  I have 7, 823 miles on  the clock now.

[Grabber]

Grabber, on 08 August 2008 - 12:08 PM, said:

Pulling my pilot bearing and installing a new one:

. Bumping this post for Jaun to show the back side of the crankshaft after the flywheel is removed and a new pilot bearing installed.

Edited by Grabber, 10 April 2013 - 07:31 PM.