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#41 ONLINE   Grabber

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 08:28 AM

View Post1badsho, on Aug 9 2008, 08:58 AM, said:

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great pictures and as always THANK YOU !!! ..... What i was most impressed with was your rear end ... ( NOT YOUR *SS GRABBER but THE CARS REAR END ! )

I recall when u re painted it and man it really stands out ... great job !

Thanks Don.

I like to keep the under side of my car looking good. I put in up on my ramps last night to inspect it and do a wipedown. Today I will Change my oil while shes up on the ramps.

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 08:30 AM

View PostGrabber, on Aug 9 2008, 10:28 AM, said:

Thanks Don.

I like to keep the under side of my car looking good. I put in up on my ramps last night to inspect it and do a wipedown. Today I will Change my oil while shes up on the ramps.

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Can we get photos of the oil change process?

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 08:33 AM

View PostHSURB, on Aug 9 2008, 09:30 AM, said:

Can we get photos of the oil change process?

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It would seem that I should provide the instructions to some of the dealerships since so many members here seem to get botched oil changes with the wrong oil and over filled by 1/2 of a quart. :banghead:
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Posted 09 August 2008 - 05:15 PM

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Thanks for all the great pics and explaining to us all the process and the new parts. I am talking to my dealer  that installed my last trans fix, working on them to order the new parts for my car as I have about three thousand miles on the second gen trans. I do have chatter when the car is warmed up and in stop and go traffic. Nice to have friends with a sence of humor!
I'm looking at your thread here and thinking, It is time that you car is finally FIXED!!!. :happy feet:
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Posted 09 August 2008 - 05:19 PM

View PostHans, on Aug 9 2008, 06:15 PM, said:

Rob
Thanks for all the great pics and explaining to us all the process and the new parts. I am talking to my dealer that installed my last trans fix, working on them to order the new parts for my car as I have about three thousand miles on the second gen trans. I do have chatter when the car is warmed up and in stop and go traffic. Nice to have friends with a sence of humor!
I'm looking at your thread here and thinking, It is time that you car is finally FIXED!!!. :happy feet:

Hans,

This was just another little setback. It's now complete. Today I installed a little mod under the hood in celebration. :happy feet:

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 07:58 AM

68Fastback,

The difference in weight between the old and new flywheel is negligible -- perhaps 1.5 lb heavier. The inertia is EXACTLY the same.

The flywheel is made out of forged steel (4100 series) which has about 20-30% better heat transfer coefficient as compared to nodular iron.

The input shaft strength is NO different. The "over pin" dimension on the splines has been increased slightly for a better fit with the mating clutch hub. Too small is just as bad as too big. The input shaft is NOT polished. It is broached to 1/10 the average Roughness of the old input shaft.

Hope this helps answer your questions.
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:03 AM

I just saw another member post his invoice for what the full TSB would cost if you have to pay for it.

$5,078.82 :fear:

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 05:37 PM

View PostSCGT500, on Aug 10 2008, 12:06 PM, said:

In this corner we have Dan the Man!!!


And in the corner we have the latest brain wizard GRABBER!!


And their going at it...


Ooh...looks like Grabber just hit Dan w/ an amazing spew of information pulled out of his as..... and Dan is down for the count. :hysterical:

:finger: ;-)   ...actually I can only take credit for asking if the new one is made of forged steel.  Someone else must have asked those other excellent questions  ( that I wish I had thought of ;) )

Great info, Rob!!!!  ...thanks :happy feet:


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Posted 11 August 2008 - 03:27 AM

Nice write up as usual Rob.

Got almost 17K on my car and still cannot convince my dealer anything is wrong. It still shifts pretty good but I get blocked out of reverse and 1st and sometimes grind going into other gears but I cant get it to do it at the dealership. :banghead:

Soooooo I just keep driving and enjoying it. :lurk:
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Posted 11 August 2008 - 04:00 AM

View PostSCGT500, on Aug 10 2008, 09:06 AM, said:

In this corner we have Dan the Man!!!


And in the corner we have the latest brain wizard GRABBER!!


And their going at it...


Ooh...looks like Grabber just hit Dan w/ an amazing spew of information pulled out of his as..... and Dan is down for the count. :hysterical:
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That info is not pulled out of anyones dung hole. It's spot on.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 08:45 AM

One other thing that has made the new flywheel stronger is material properties -- Young's Modulus increase (roughly proportional to stiffness) of about 25%. :happy feet:
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 09:37 AM

View PostGrabber, on Aug 13 2008, 12:45 PM, said:

One other thing that has made the new flywheel stronger is material properties -- Young's Modulus increase (roughly proportional to stiffness) of about 25%. :happy feet:

I like Modulus modulars ...oh, nevermind. ;)

Young's Modulus...yikes!  ...ok, it's just stronger.  :hysterical:


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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." --Albert Einstein

"I'm not going to take this defeatist attitude and listen to all this crap any more from all these people who have nothing except doomsday to predict." --Carroll Hall Shelby

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 10:27 AM

So you're saying the new flywheel has a stiffy??

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 01:47 PM

View PostJoe G, on Aug 13 2008, 11:27 AM, said:

So you're saying the new flywheel has a stiffy??

:happy feet:

I guess you could say that. ;)

Edited by Grabber, 13 August 2008 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 08:31 PM

View PostGrabber, on Aug 9 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

Thanks Don.

I like to keep the under side of my car looking good. I put in up on my ramps last night to inspect it and do a wipedown. Today I will Change my oil while shes up on the ramps.

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Hey Grabber- I know how meticulous you are but I have a question. In the northwest I know it rains a lot. Do you drive the car in the rain at all?, and if so have you been able to keep the underside clean? During rainy season in South Florida I don't drive much and it drives me crazy. I have 2 Shelby's and oftentimes can not drive either. Really frustrating.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 08:43 PM

View PostJoe G, on Aug 13 2008, 02:27 PM, said:

So you're saying the new flywheel has a stiffy??

:happy feet:


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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clark, noted author and futurist

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"I'm not going to take this defeatist attitude and listen to all this crap any more from all these people who have nothing except doomsday to predict." --Carroll Hall Shelby

"I am looking for a lot of men who have an infinite capacity to not know what can't be done." --Henry Ford

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 09:38 PM

View PostSuperSnake08, on Aug 13 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

Hey Grabber- I know how meticulous you are but I have a question. In the northwest I know it rains a lot. Do you drive the car in the rain at all?, and if so have you been able to keep the underside clean? During rainy season in South Florida I don't drive much and it drives me crazy. I have 2 Shelby's and oftentimes can not drive either. Really frustrating.

This car is my nice day driver. If it's raining, I don't take it out. I have been caught in a couple rainstorms, and I did find out that the car does not melt. :)
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Posted 19 August 2008 - 06:52 PM

View PostGrabber, on Aug 10 2008, 02:17 PM, said:

I have now completed my first 100 miles on my new clutch and flywheel.

Impressions:

Clutch pedal is not loose anywhere, even at the top of the pedal. It's firm, but not stiff at all. It feels just right.

I have done the hiss test several times. No hissing in nuetral with the clutch depressed. This is good.

Starting out in first gear with low RPM's....there is no clutch chatter at all. Starting out in 1st gear with mid RPM's feels great too.

The shifting is very good at all RPM's. There is no bumping of the syncros or crunching feel. I can feel the shift go into the gear with a positive engagement. I am trying to explain what the shift feels like, and the best I can do is say that it feels like a silent click when it goes into gear. Like it was meant to be.
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I have been out of town for a week on vacation, so my car has been sitting all week.

I went out to start it in my shop. Rolled both windows down so I could listen to the motor. Turned the key on and she fired right up. Left her in nuetral and listened. No whine and no hiss. Pushed the clutch pedal in and held it. Listened very carefully. No hissing at all. Did it a second time, and still no hissing.

Results: HISS TEST PASSED.

I then took the car out to a Driving Rally event. The driving was on winding twisty roads with alot of shifting. Many hairpin corners, and lots of 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear shifts. The drive was 2 hours long up in the Oregon country back hills. I put a total of 160 miles on the new clutch and flywheel set up today. The performance was superb. The shifting was all smooth. Never bumped any syncros or missed a beat. The temp was 97 here today, so it was nice and hot.

RESULTS: I now have 260 miles on my TSB work and I could not be happier. :)
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Posted 19 August 2008 - 07:16 PM

Grabber at anytime did you notice a burning smell coming from your old clutch?

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 07:28 PM

View Postshelby001, on Aug 19 2008, 08:16 PM, said:

Grabber at anytime did you notice a burning smell coming from your old clutch?
No I never did.
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