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#61 OFFLINE   CobraCrazy

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 07:21 AM

When NASCAR looks like this,

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To be honest I enjoy racing when cars actually pass each other once and a while, and while I agree Hamilton is a remarkable driver, in F1 if you look at the qualifying order you can pretty much determine the final results before the race has been run because not much will change.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 07:24 AM

Yes, for the Nation Wide Series.

As it stands now, Cars in both theNation Wide and Sprint Cup Series are very very very close in all aspects. There is many Sprint Cup Drivers driving in the Nation Wide Series just to get the upper hand in the Sprint Cup Series by taking what they have learned about Track conditions and Car Set Up. Nascar wants to change that. By using the Pony Cars, everything will be different and the Drivers wont be able to use the information on their Sprint Cup Cars. I think Chevy is holding things up because they keep pushing back production on the Camaro.

I hope this happens, but didn't NASCAR show a pic of the Nationwide COT recently and didn't it look like the butt-ugly cookie cutter make-me-sick CUP car?
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:40 AM

I hope this happens, but didn't NASCAR show a pic of the Nationwide COT recently and didn't it look like the butt-ugly cookie cutter make-me-sick CUP car?
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Here's the 2010 Nationwide prototype. Doesn't look too bad IMO.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 03:50 PM

Bud Shootout practice on the Speed Channel!! :happy feet:
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:01 PM

Bud Shootout practice on the Speed Channel!! :happy feet:


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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:03 PM

Johnson's fastest - what a shocker!!
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:05 PM

Weird seeing someone other than Tony in the 20.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:06 PM

:happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet:

I thought Ken Squire died.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:15 PM

:happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet:

I thought Ken Squire died.



They prop him up once a year for the Daytona 500. :hysterical:
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:01 PM

To be honest I enjoy racing when cars actually pass each other once and a while, and while I agree Hamilton is a remarkable driver, in F1 if you look at the qualifying order you can pretty much determine the final results before the race has been run because not much will change.



Sometimes you can, then there are some tracks that totally mess them up.. F1 circuits are very tight and passing isn't easy, but they do have opportunities. One of the tightest circuits is Monaco, but there have been a few upsets there.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:01 PM

Weird seeing someone other than Tony in the 20.

Tony isn't in 20???

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:03 PM

He is not.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:04 PM

Tony isn't in 20???



:doh:


Umm...no!
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:06 PM

Well who is he driving for? is he driving? what number? what color?

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:07 PM

:doh:


Umm...no!

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Sheesh you know I don't follow this stuff

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:08 PM

AJ and the RPM cars are up on the speed charts..let's see how it shakes out tomorrow night..looking good so far. I just wish the speed charts actually meant something at Daytona and Talledega..LOL
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:09 PM

Well who is he driving for? is he driving? what number? what color?



Tony started his own team. He drives the #14 Office Depot/Old Spice Chevy. Joey Logano is in the 20.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:09 PM

God - I love the Speed Channel! :happy feet:

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:10 PM

The SPEED channel rules!!!!
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:10 PM

AJ and the RPM cars are up on the speed charts..let's see how it shakes out tomorrow night..looking good so far. I just wish the speed charts actually meant something at Daytona and Talledega..LOL

AJ is looking very strong!

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:16 PM

Tony started his own team. He drives the #14 Office Depot/Old Spice Chevy. Joey Logano is in the 20.


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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:35 PM

Bobby Labonte and the 96 Ford aren't looking too bad!
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 06:02 PM

Not to pooh pooh this thread, But as a former Hard Core NASCAR fan back when they really raced cars....... NASCAR now = :lurk: paint dry.....JMHO

Its more and more like IROC
liked it back in the day
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 06:15 PM

Its more and more like IROC
liked it back in the day
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I kinda liked IROC. All the same cars so It showed who was the best driver, not what team had the most funding.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:01 PM

COT and new "no testing" policy will help bring it back to the better drivers and teams for a couple of year but it won't be long before cubic $ wins out.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:33 PM

They prop him up once a year for the Daytona 500. :hysterical:

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:33 PM

Tony started his own team. He drives the #14 Office Depot/Old Spice Chevy. Joey Logano is in the 20.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 06:13 AM

Ford Unveils New FR9 Engine

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This is the first purpose-built NASCAR racing engine to ever come out of Ford Motor Company.



Ford and Roush Yates Engines already enjoy a reputation for producing some of the best power and reliability in the sport, but its latest NASCAR-approved engine has raised expectations to an even higher level for 2009.

2009 Ford Racing NASCAR Engine
• The engine is an all-new, clean sheet of paper design.
• There are no carryover parts from the current engine.
• Then engine meets all of the new NASCAR engine rules, most notable being the 4.500” bore spacing (new for Ford since we’ve been running 4.380” since the mid-70s).
• It is a purpose-built racing engine. It does not retain any of the original production 351 dimensions, as the current engine does.

Code-named FR9, this new piece is the first purpose-built NASCAR racing engine to ever come out of Ford Motor Company. Its design has been spearheaded and developed by Ford Racing engineer David Simon, and famed engine builder Doug Yates, along with input from legendary Ford Racing engine engineer Mose Nowland.

“This is an exciting time for us to say the least, especially with the way our two companies have worked so well together on this project,” said Yates. “I’ve never had the opportunity to work on a NASCAR engine with a clean sheet of paper, but that’s basically what we’ve done and I’ve enjoyed every second. We feel we’ve got a piece that will not only be better than what we’ve got now, but will give us room to grow.


“With the exception of a few cylinder head changes through the years, we’ve had the same engine since 1991 and have been able to squeeze out every ounce of power and speed possible,” continued Yates. “What’s got me so excited is we’ve won races and championships with an engine many consider old, and this new piece is definitely a notch above, so we’ve got a lot to look forward to for years to come.”

There are three key differences between FR9 and the current engine. First, the cooling system has been re-worked and will allow teams to optimize the amount of tape they can put on the front grille and improve downforce. Second, the valve train has been improved, and, third, the production and assembly of FR9 will be much easier than today’s model.

Another thing is for certain, this isn’t your father’s 351 because FR9 does not retain any of the original production 351 dimensions as the current model.

“Our main priority when we started this project was to get the bones of the engine right. We wanted to make sure we had the proper layout, the right block structure and that the overall skeleton of the engine was correct,” said Simon. “Even though we’ve been working on these engines for decades and know a lot of things about them, there was still a lot we didn’t know. In that case, we went and did some testing to get the answer.”

That data driven philosophy for designing the engine was crucial for building an engine that would not only be reliable and efficient, but powerful as well.

“It was a completely different mindset and approach to making power,” recalled Simon. “We did not finalize any part of the engine until we acquired the data that told us what was going to be our optimum setting or optimum dimension. The key to all of this in the first phase of our development was to produce as much power through the design of the engine as possible and to make sure we had the very best layout, the very best dimension, and the very best combination of dimensions that we could within the framework of the rules.”

Since taking over as Ford Director of North America Motorsports in August, Brian Wolfe has had to learn a lot in a short amount of time, but he’s been impressed with how well FR9 has developed.

“Before taking over this job, I worked in powertrain development at Ford for 26 years, and it’s always great to see a new product,” said Wolfe. “To see the way everyone has worked together on this project is extremely gratifying and I know when FR9 is ready for the race track, we’re going to be spending a lot of time in victory lane.”

Just when FR9 is ready for competition remains to be seen, but a tentative target date is the second-half of the 2009 season.

“We’re not going to rush this engine into competition until we’re 100 percent sure it’s going to meet our strict standards,” said Yates. “We don’t feel a need to rush because our current engine is still strong and that gives us the luxury to take our time and make sure we do FR9 right. I know we’ve got a winner here, and I can’t wait to see it on the track.”

2009 FORD RACING NASCAR ENGINE

Design Process
• The engine design was evaluated on a system by system basis.
· Systems that are critical to performance were studied to identify optimums.
· We used a data-driven process meaning if the data didn’t exist to make an educated decision, We tested the part or system until we had the information we needed.
• Multiple engine design iterations were actually built and tested before the final design was chosen.

Engine Features
• Induction and exhaust systems are an evolution of our current ones providing increased performance potential.
• The cooling system is all-new resulting in more efficient cooling of the heads and block.
• The lubrication system is all-new which allows us to meter the oil supply to every part of the engine.
• The block and head structures are all-new resulting in stronger, lighter components.

Performance Metrics
• Power: The initial power has surpassed our expectations. For an all-new engine, very early in its development, the power has been excellent.
• Durability: There is still a lot of testing to be done, but after thousands of dyno miles, the durability has been perfect so far.

Testing and Development
• Extensive dyno testing has been conducted since early ’08—thousands of dyno miles have been logged including performance and durability testing.
• The first track test was in November at Rockingham. The engine ran fine without any issues.

Installation in the Cars
• The engine requires new engine mounts and changes to the chassis to accommodate the new mounts.
• We’ve worked with the race teams to identify all of the concerns and design issues. Everything has been sorted out to make the new engine work in the current cars.

Engine Introduction
• We are planning on a mid-season introduction

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 06:16 AM

I must admit I am surprised Ford spent the money on the new engine in this market and financial climate. In addition I have expected NASCAR to force a smaller engine on the teams in the future. You can't buy a 351 Taurus, or T Bird. If racing improves the breed why not have the teams go to a smaller more relevant engine. Allow OHC, and fuel injection. Instead NASCAR is keeping the dinosaur engines alive.

I wonder if this engine will be available in some form for the street?

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 06:20 AM

:happy feet:

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