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[Grabber]

The Clutch drag TSB has been revised. The verbage has been changed. The PDF file will not post to this site. It's too big so I copied it. Click on the HEADER to make it bigger.


SHELBY GT500—CLUTCH DRAG—BUILT BEFORE  9/1/2008

TSB 09-9-2

Edited by Grabber, 07 August 2009 - 09:41 PM.

[Alexandros]

Thanks Rob....

[shelbypowered]

Grabber, on May 1 2009, 12:40 AM, said:

The Clutch drag TSB has been revised. The verbage has been changed. The PDF file will not post to this site. It's too big so I copied it.


SHELBY GT500—CLUTCH DRAG—BUILT BEFORE  9/1/2008

TSB 09-9-2

FORD:
2007-2009 Mustang
This article supersedes TSB 8-16-4 to add a Normal Operating Characteristics Of The Twin Disc Cera-metallic Clutch.
production fix date, update the Issue Statement and
Service Procedure. • Clutch chatter/shudder when engaging the clutch.
ISSUE • Narrow or abrupt engagement point.
Some 2007-2009 Mustang Shelby GT500 vehicles • Hiss upon clutch engagement or disengagement.
built before 9/1/2008 may exhibit the following • Transmission gear rollover noise at idle.
clutch/transmission symptoms: hard to disengage or • Gear rattle noise at very low speeds when in 1st
engage 1st and reverse, hard to shift any gear, or 2nd gear.
vehicle creeps with transmission in gear and clutch
pedal fully depressed without brake pedal • Normal wear.
application. These symptoms may be caused by the NOTE
clutch not disengaging fully when the clutch pedal is THE GT500 CLUTCH SHOULD BE
fully depressed. This may be due to flywheel DIAGNOSED/REMOVED/REPLACED AS A
distortion caused by excessive heat build-up during COMPLETE ASSEMBLY ONLY. DO NOT TAKE
unique traffic conditions (example: severe stop/go CLUTCH ASSEMBLY APART.
urban driving, excessive clutch slipping). The clutch
system is designed for performance driving 1. Remove, drain, disassemble and clean the
conditions. transmission per Workshop Manual (WSM),
Section 308-03C.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the 2. Remove and replace input shaft and all
condition. synchronizer assemblies per WSM, Section
308-03C.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
3. Assemble the transmission per WSM, Section
Located at the end of the procedure are Figures 1, 308-03C.
2 and 3 which show the typical appearance of a
flywheel and clutch that has been damaged due to 4. Remove clutch disc and plate assembly and
overheating of the clutch. Figures 4, 5 and 6 show pilot bearing per WSM, Section 308-01.
the typical appearance of a good flywheel and 5. Remove and replace flywheel per WSM,
clutch. Section 303-01C. Discard old bolts and use
This procedure does not apply to or correct the bolts provided in flywheel kit.
normal characteristics of the twin-disc cera-metallic 6. Install new pilot bearing per WSM, Section
clutch used in the Shelby GT500 vehicle or normal 308-01.
wear. The twin disc cera-metallic clutch incorporates
racing technology to combine a low inertia assembly 7. Install new clutch disc and plate assembly per
with a very durable friction material with high torque online WSM, Section 308-01 (vehicles with solid
capability. Depending on your driving technique, the design flywheel). Discard old bolts and use
smoothness of how the clutch reacts to clutch bolts provided in clutch kit. Tighten bolts to 89
engagements may be different from other vehicles lb-in (10 N•m) in a star pattern. Tighten an
that use a single disc clutch system. Also refer to additional 90 degrees in a star pattern.
pages 8 and 9 of the GT500 Owner Guide
Supplement for additional information.
NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do
the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper
vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by “do-it-yourselfers”. Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a
Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation
determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article.The information in this Technical Service Bulletin
(TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates.The most recent information is
available through Ford Motor Company’s on-line technical resources.
Copyright ã 2009 Ford Motor Company Online Publication Date April 23, 2009 PAGE 1
TSB 09-9-2 (Continued)
8. Apply a small amount of Motorcraftâ PTFE
Lubricant to the clutch hub splines per WSM,
Section 308-01.
9. Install the transmission per WSM, Section
308-03C.
PART NUMBER PART NAME
7R3Z-6375-B Flywheel Kit Includes Bolts
7R3Z-7L596-A Clutch Kit Includes Bolts
7R3Z-7C391-A Trans Kit
XG-8 Motorcraftâ PTFE Lubricant
XT-5-QM Motorcraftâ MERCONâ V Automatic
Transmission Fluid
PM-1-C Motorcraftâ High Performance DOT 3
Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid Figure 1 - Article 09-9-2
XG-1-C Motorcraftâ Premium Long-Life
Grease
TA-30 Motorcraftâ Silicone Gasket and
Sealant
TA-25 Motorcraftâ Threadlock and Sealer
F6ZZ-7600-A Pilot Bearing
1R3Z-7052-AA Transmission Input Shaft Oil Seal
WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of
New Vehicle Limited
Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty
coverage limits/policies are
not altered by a TSB.
Warranty coverage limits
are determined by the
identified causal part. Figure 2 - Article 09-9-2
OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
090902A 2007-2009 Mustang 7.4 Hrs.
GT500: Replace The Input
Shaft, Synchronizer
Assemblies, Clutch Disc
And Plate Assembly, Pilot
Bearing and Flywheel
Includes Time To Remove
And Install Transmission
(Do Not Use With 7003A,
7003A2, 7003A3, 7003A6,
1007D7, 5212B)
DEALER CODING
CONDITION
BASIC PART NO. CODE Figure 3 - Article 09-9-2
6375 69
PAGE 2
TSB 09-9-2 (Continued)
Figure 4 - Article 09-9-2
Figure 5 - Article 09-9-2
Figure 6 - Article 09-9-2
PAGE 3

Sounds a little confusing and I would guess by the language used they are referring to pictures as well. Is this correct? This information is much more defined than the original tsb and written in more tech type lingo- I found it a bit confusing however it adds up to the same conclusion- but reaches out a little further. Anyone else read anything between the lines?

[Grabber]

The TSB does have Pic's in it. The file is too big for my E-mail to send it on MSN and too big to post the PDF file on here. The pic''s show what a heated flywheel and clutch look like and a normal looking one.

They took out the following symptoms from the origianal tsb:

"gear grinding during shifts any gear"

"clutch slippage in gear with clutch pedal released"

"hiss noise with clutch pedal fully depressed(hiss on clutch pedal release is normal for GT500 clutch material)"

they also removed the NOTE....
This article applies to vehicles with prior repairs, as well as those with minor modifications, exhibiting above symptoms.

Edited by Grabber, 01 May 2009 - 06:34 AM.

[glroy]

Grabber, on May 1 2009, 07:34 AM, said:

The TSB does have Pic's in it. The file is too big for my E-mail to send it on MSN and too big to post the PDF file on here. The pic''s show what a heated flywheel and clutch look like and a normal looking one.

They took out the following symptoms from the origianal tsb:

"gear grinding during shifts any gear"

"clutch slippage in gear with clutch pedal released"

"hiss noise with clutch pedal fully depressed(hiss on clutch pedal release is normal for GT500 clutch material)"

they also removed the NOTE....
This article applies to vehicles with prior repairs, as well as those with minor modifications, exhibiting above symptoms.

I have had the TSB done and it has about 800 km on it. 1st to 2nd grinds when cold and stops aft about 10 km? quick shift from 1st to reverse grinds all the time. still chatters sometimes on release.

worth taking back to Ford??

[relopez98]

Rob:

Does this mean that we should take it back in? I had mine done about 4 months ago. It still hisses when the clutch is fully depressed after driving in the city for a bit.

It seems like the "new" flywheel is warped.

Any suggestions?

Eric

[AlloyDropTop]

Grabber, on May 1 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

The TSB does have Pic's in it. The file is too big for my E-mail to send it on MSN and too big to post the PDF file on here. The pic''s show what a heated flywheel and clutch look like and a normal looking one.

They took out the following symptoms from the origianal tsb:

"gear grinding during shifts any gear"

"clutch slippage in gear with clutch pedal released"

"hiss noise with clutch pedal fully depressed(hiss on clutch pedal release is normal for GT500 clutch material)"

they also removed the NOTE....
This article applies to vehicles with prior repairs, as well as those with minor modifications, exhibiting above symptoms.

I think they are starting to want to cut bait with us.  My assumption is cars are getting the TSB because of synchro bump(which is normal, even though many on here don't think so...), slipping clutch (which wouldn't be caused by a warped flywheel), and then the one I don't get, the hissing when the clutch pedal is pushed in.  They must think that they can get out of fixing cars with only small symptons and too bad when it needs a clutch and flywheel out of warranty.

[ingram4868]

Rob,  in an earlier thread it was thought that the 2010 GT500 would use an organic clutch.  Do you know if that did happen?  The new TSB keeps referring to the cera-metallic which I assume is the original OEM material.  So if we need a new clutch down the road will we still have the option of getting a ceramic?

[chuckstang]

This TSB thing just gets stranger and stranger

I don't think I am going to brng this new tsb with me when I get my work done, seems like they are just trying to Fuk us more

Grabber what are your thoughts on this new release, is it to help us, hurt us or neither lol

[Grabber]

ingram4868, on May 2 2009, 07:49 AM, said:

Rob, in an earlier thread it was thought that the 2010 GT500 would use an organic clutch. Do you know if that did happen? The new TSB keeps referring to the cera-metallic which I assume is the original OEM material. So if we need a new clutch down the road will we still have the option of getting a ceramic?

Yes the 2010 has a organic clutch.

Yes we will be able to keep using the OEM ceramic clutchs in our 2007-2009's.

[Grabber]

chuckstang, on May 2 2009, 07:58 AM, said:

This TSB thing just gets stranger and stranger

I don't think I am going to brng this new tsb with me when I get my work done, seems like they are just trying to Fuk us more

Grabber what are your thoughts on this new release, is it to help us, hurt us or neither lol

Personally I think it will make it harder to get the warranty work approved.

The problem$ that the prior Ford engineer$ said was a problem$ are now not problem$.


Read the old TSB and you will see what I mean.
 GT500_Clutch_drag_TSB_08_16_04.pdf   50.67K   126 downloads

Edited by Grabber, 02 May 2009 - 10:06 AM.

[SicShelby]

This is odd.

[CobraCrazy]

Thanks Grabber.
CC

[Light66]

CobraCrazy, on May 2 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

Thanks Grabber.
CC

CC, are you developing any symptoms, yet?

[CobraCrazy]

Light66, on May 2 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

CC, are you developing any symptoms, yet?

No, but as I picked it up on Nov. 3rd 2006, and it has 16k miles on it (albeit 16k gentle miles) and based on everything I'm reading, I'm nervous and now it sounds as if it will be harder to get Ford to fix it when (if) it breaks

but still no symptoms.
CC

[Light66]

CobraCrazy, on May 2 2009, 12:10 PM, said:

No, but as I picked it up on Nov. 3rd 2006, and it has 16k miles on it (albeit 16k gentle miles) and based on everything I'm reading, I'm nervous and now it sounds as if it will be harder to get Ford to fix it when (if) it breaks

but still no symptoms.
CC

I understand your nervousness.  Perhaps we can discuss further at tomorrows SCBC.

[AlloyDropTop]

Grabber, on May 2 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

Personally I think it will make it harder to get the warranty work approved.

The problem$ that the prior Ford engineer$ said was a problem$ are now not problem$.


Read the old TSB and you will see what I mean.
GT500_Cl...08_16_04.pdf

I agree.  My opinion on the wording is that they feel people are getting clutches replaced that in their opinion don't need to be replaced.  Like I have said before, my opinion is that all of the GT500s should have their flywheels fixed, and not just cars with warped flywheels.  Clearly Ford doesn't agree, and now are atempting to limit the numbers that get repaired.  

Once again their behavior reiterates why my Lexus and Acura daily drivers will be replaced with Lexus and Acura daily drivers, because they DO NOT treat their customers like this.  Lexus just replaced a radiator at 91K miles for free and gave me an '09 loaner and portered the thing, because they know they had a issue with '04's radiators.  This is a 5 year old truck with 91K miles and they fixed it.  Ford won't fix something with 36001 miles on it....for that matter they will avoid fixing our cars with what they know are defective design flywheels in every GT500 they build during the time period.

[sandyman]

[quote name='AlloyDropTop' date='May 2 2009, 04:41 PM' post='699008

Once again their behavior reiterates why my Lexus and Acura daily drivers will be replaced with Lexus and Acura daily drivers, because they DO NOT treat their customers like this.  Lexus just replaced a radiator at 91K miles for free and gave me an '09 loaner and portered the thing, because they know they had a issue with '04's radiators.  This is a 5 year old truck with 91K miles and they fixed it.  Ford won't fix something with 36001 miles on it....for that matter they will avoid fixing our cars with what they know are defective design flywheels in every GT500 they build during the time period.
[/quote]

Exactly why I traded my 07 GT500 for a Lexus yesterday.  I hope you folks have good luck with your cars.  Mine was perfect but also a ticking time bomb and no dealer would do the TSB.

[chuckstang]

I am shocked that more have not chimmed in.

I think its complete BS

Well, heres what I say, beat the bad out of your tranny while under warranty and just tow it there when it breaks!

Then they will have no choice but to fix it uner warranty.

How would or could Ford deny a warranty claim because they believe it was abused, just curious, seems like its impossible to prove unless it was obviously raced with slicks and stuff

[vapor08GT500]

I think this too is Ford pussyfooting the issue and trying to minimize the problems. With the current economy, Ford seems to further continue to not back the problems that are well known. Complete BS!! So far, I have been able to have 11 friends and Team Shelby members covered by a local dealership, because the local dealerships were giving problems to the owners...

Alex