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[Grabber]

Chuck,

What they will tell you is that they will take it apart and check the wear if you agree to pay for the labor if it's deemed abuse. If you agree...and they find abuse, it's your bill. I know this is not what you wanted to hear....but it happens all the time.

[SkyPilot]

FWIW as a mechanical engineer I saw it a lot........ Management butts their heads in and over rides the engneers as they start bean counting........Bad deal, but it's life. Just review the official report on the Challenger accident if you need proof. Thiakol's engineers that made the booster segment's o-rings were pleading for them not to launch at the low temperatures that ultimately led to failure. But NASA/management did not want to again delay the launch.

We had a problem 30 years ago at a major aircraft manufacturer when I was a young engineer on a passenger jet that is no longer in service. Since I was the first engineer to be contacted by the inspectors I was allowed to sit in on the meetings. It would have cost BIG dollars to go out and make all the aircraft conform to blue print in a critical area that mounted the engines. The error was not caught until we had quite a few jets out there. So the process began, where as it went up the chain my boss bought off on a few thousanths less than the required clearance. My boss's boss allowed a few less and so on. What really bugged me is that the higher it went the less engineering and more management experience the guy had. To the point that the final decision on how much we would allow it to be non compliant was made by a guy that had less engineering experience than my wife's cat. I watched for years as they flew and not a single jet lost an engine due that that flaw-but I held my breath for a lot of years.......... You management types would say if we waited for the engineers to be completely comfortable with things we would still be driving Model Ts since the engineers would never get off the dime and field anything....... ah the dilemas of life.

Edited by SkyPilot, 03 May 2009 - 04:48 AM.

[AlloyDropTop]

SkyPilot, on May 3 2009, 07:24 AM, said:

FWIW as a mechanical engineer I saw it a lot........ Management butts their heads in and over rides the engneers as they start bean counting........Bad deal, but it's life. Just review the official report on the Challenger accident if you need proof. Thiakol's engineers that made the booster segment's o-rings were pleading for them not to launch at the low temperatures that ultimately led to failure. But NASA/management did not want to again delay the launch.

It's life, but some companies do a better job at making smart decisions on obtaining and keeping long term customers.  The domestics have been repeatedly failing at this over the past several decades and what is happening to them right now is direct proof...I don't want to be this way, but the way I have been treated by them, the have it comming....

I, too, am an ME, and I also see it, but from company to company it can be dramatic.  I happen to work with the one company in my field, where the competition is definitly cutting corners.  And I sell alot of equipment because of it, to alot of repeat customers.  I hope the competion keeps letting the accountants run their business, because as long as the engineers run ours, we will keep kicking thier a$$ in the market.

[idrathergolf]

chuckstang, on May 2 2009, 07:58 AM, said:

This TSB thing just gets stranger and stranger

I don't think I am going to brng this new tsb with me when I get my work done, seems like they are just trying to Fuk us more

Grabber what are your thoughts on this new release, is it to help us, hurt us or neither lol

Why not just put in a McLeod or Spec clutch in the car?  You know the OEM clutch and flywheel is a poorly designed part so why put it back into your car?

I had the TSB repair done in February and I regret it now.  I know what a high performance clutch should feel like and the piece of crap Ford clutch is far from it.  I thought by putting in a new clutch and flywheel it would shift and drive properly.  Boy was I wrong on that one.  You can have by clutch and flywheel when I yank it out for a McLeod or Spec in a few months.

Am I upset at Ford?  Not really.  They are not the ones that put in the 200+ HP in the car.  The OEM clutch is definitely not designed for 600+ torque.

Am I going to turn in my GT 500 in for a Lexus as I've read from others on this thread?  No way!  Clutch and suspension issues aside I just love driving this car.  When I bought this car I didn't have any expectation that it was comparable to a ZR1.  Let's see ... $45,000 car compared to a $110,000 car.  With a few upgrades (see my signature below) I now have a car that now can hang with a ZR1 for a lot less money.  Plus, my car turns heads when I'm driving it and no Lexus or Corvette will do that!       

[chuckstang]

Well, problem is the TSB does not just replace the clutch and flywheel, other parts need to be replaced as well so even if you want to take your own coin and buy a new clutch/flywheel you still will not have all the new upgraded parts.

IMO
It is discrimination that Ford thinks some deserve the new upgraded parts while others do not.  It is a fact that people who bought an 09 after a certain date have a completely different flywheel and input shaft then what is in my car.

All should be replaced under warranty no questions asked.

[sandyman]

chuckstang, on May 3 2009, 10:48 PM, said:

Well, problem is the TSB does not just replace the clutch and flywheel, other parts need to be replaced as well so even if you want to take your own coin and buy a new clutch/flywheel you still will not have all the new upgraded parts.

IMO
It is discrimination that Ford thinks some deserve the new upgraded parts while others do not.  It is a fact that people who bought an 09 after a certain date have a completely different flywheel and input shaft then what is in my car.

All should be replaced under warranty no questions asked.

Agreed!

[AlloyDropTop]

chuckstang, on May 3 2009, 10:48 PM, said:

Well, problem is the TSB does not just replace the clutch and flywheel, other parts need to be replaced as well so even if you want to take your own coin and buy a new clutch/flywheel you still will not have all the new upgraded parts.

IMO
It is discrimination that Ford thinks some deserve the new upgraded parts while others do not.  It is a fact that people who bought an 09 after a certain date have a completely different flywheel and input shaft then what is in my car.

All should be replaced under warranty no questions asked.

Agree.  Ford knows that these flywheels will all warp, giving a significant slipping event, etc..., yet they choose only to fix the cars with the syptoms, meaning apparently people who slip their clutches alot.  I don't know how else the flywheel can get warped, other than by generating excess heat, which can only come from slipping.  Since my car doesn't do stop and go traffic, and I engage the clutch quickly, I suspect I won't warp the flywheel.  The poor second owner someday might not be so lucky, and then it is open up the checkbook time for them.  

Why can't Ford just do the right thing and replace them all?  They spend millions upon millions on advertising and marketing and yet they throw it all away when they piss people like us off.  We are the type of people that convince our neighbors, co-workers, family, freinds, etc... all what to drive.  Invest a little in those of us that invested a huge amount to own these cars.  It will pay off in the long run, I am certain....

[brianspony]

chuckstang, on May 3 2009, 11:48 PM, said:

Well, problem is the TSB does not just replace the clutch and flywheel, other parts need to be replaced as well so even if you want to take your own coin and buy a new clutch/flywheel you still will not have all the new upgraded parts.

IMO
It is discrimination that Ford thinks some deserve the new upgraded parts while others do not.  It is a fact that people who bought an 09 after a certain date have a completely different flywheel and input shaft then what is in my car.

All should be replaced under warranty no questions asked.

Chuck I just got off the phone a few minutes ago with Tasca. I had brought my 07 in last October and had a complete full TSB approved. Problem was I had taken my Shelby off the road for the winter before all the parts came in.

Like I said I just got off the phone with service and they have re-opened my job number and re-ordered all the parts again and they believe all the parts to complete it are already in stock. Parts department will send me a notice if and when all the parts are in and we will schedule a date for repair.

I don't believe we have anything to worry about with the verbage with the revised TSB at Tasca. A smaller dealership probably, but I don't think Tasca being a performance Shelby dealership has any problems with Ford when it comes to service.

[Grabber]

chuckstang, on May 3 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

Well, problem is the TSB does not just replace the clutch and flywheel, other parts need to be replaced as well so even if you want to take your own coin and buy a new clutch/flywheel you still will not have all the new upgraded parts.

IMO
It is discrimination that Ford thinks some deserve the new upgraded parts while others do not. It is a fact that people who bought an 09 after a certain date have a completely different flywheel and input shaft then what is in my car.

All should be replaced under warranty no questions asked.

The only other part that is revised is the Tranny inputshaft.

...and yes you need that replaced !!!!!

[chuckstang]

saweeet that is good news

I plan to have some work done at Tasca and will mention it to them and see if they will order the parts for me

I have now had my tranny stuck in 1st gear temporarily twice and reverse once

This is all in the past 2 months and I never had any signs prior so I'm thinking my time is near

[brianspony]

chuckstang, on May 4 2009, 10:42 AM, said:

saweeet that is good news

I plan to have some work done at Tasca and will mention it to them and see if they will order the parts for me

I have now had my tranny stuck in 1st gear temporarily twice and reverse once

This is all in the past 2 months and I never had any signs prior so I'm thinking my time is near

Mine has only locked up on me once. I may have forced it too fast that one time, but it would have stunk if I was racing someone at the time. When mine is cold it grinds into second and reverse.

I'm hoping this repair will subside my chatter at take off and reverse once and for all.

I get quite stressed in stop and go traffic. Nothings more embarrasing than stalling it when people are admiring your car. Let me know how you make out with yours.

[Grabber]

I amended Post #1 so you guys could see the full TSB photos. Thanks to Joegaz on SM for making this possible. Click on the header to make it bigger.

Edited by Grabber, 04 May 2009 - 03:33 PM.

[overtime]

Grabber, on May 4 2009, 09:30 AM, said:

The only other part that is revised is the Tranny inputshaft.

...and yes you need that replaced !!!!!

Grabber
Is there a cut-off date for needing the new Tranny inputshaft.  My car is a February 2008 build.  Will I need the new input shaft or just the flywheel & clutch.

Thank You,
overtime

[Grabber]

overtime, on May 5 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Grabber
Is there a cut-off date for needing the new Tranny inputshaft. My car is a February 2008 build. Will I need the new input shaft or just the flywheel & clutch.

Thank You,
overtime

My data on that is in this thread.

http://www.teamshelb...p...ic=23884=

[shelbypowered]

Grabber, on May 4 2009, 07:32 PM, said:

I amended Post #1 so you guys could see the full TSB photos. Thanks to Joegaz on SM for making this possible. Click on the header to make it bigger.

Went to the local ford dealer whol gladly printed the whole report.  Three pages six pictures-

[brianspony]

chuckstang, on May 4 2009, 10:42 AM, said:

saweeet that is good news

I plan to have some work done at Tasca and will mention it to them and see if they will order the parts for me

I have now had my tranny stuck in 1st gear temporarily twice and reverse once

This is all in the past 2 months and I never had any signs prior so I'm thinking my time is near

Here we go Chuck, all the parts are in and scheduled for next Monday June 1st. I'll keep you posted.

[goumoun]

I have put in Word format to enable printing and easy reference. Hope it helps

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Edited by goumoun, 29 May 2009 - 01:39 AM.

[08 ORANGE SS-725HP]

brianspony, on May 4 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

I'm hoping this repair will subside my chatter at take off and reverse once and for all.

Unfortunately, the TSB repair WILL NOT change the characteristics of the OEM clutch engagement at low speeds due to the friction material makeup of the clutch discs.  In other words, there will always be some chatter!!

[chuckstang]

brianspony, on May 29 2009, 12:33 AM, said:

Here we go Chuck, all the parts are in and scheduled for next Monday June 1st. I'll keep you posted.

Great thanks!

Hey was your car having symptoms?

[brianspony]

chuckstang, on May 29 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

Great thanks!

Hey was your car having symptoms?

Severe chatter in first and reverse, hard to shift (crunching) first to second, 4th to 5th, 2nd to 1st, and clutch hissing with pedal fully pressed in.  

I will update next week when I get it back. They figure two days and have a loaner waiting Monday for me at dealership.