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[XLR8]

chuckstang, on Sep 20 2009, 08:45 PM, said:

Honestly Id like to launch it off a cliff so I could collect on it in full LOL

That seriously made me laugh!

Sorry for all your troubles, Chuck. Hopefully you get it all worked out.

[19Maddog64]

After the section on removing the clutch the next step should be "PLACE IN DUMPSTER"! Sorry had to say it - I went aftermarket.

[bossreg]

2kmelat, on Sep 25 2009, 04:09 AM, said:

i had the tsb done and it went out after only 3 mounth. every clutch pad is chiping around the edges.

Same thing happened to me after 300 miles ...just got it back last week...afraid to get on it now....

[chuckstang]

I hate to sound evil but I am glad I am not alone

Because of that, Ford will be forced to come up with something for us!

IT'S ABOUT DAM TIME

I just hope it happens before I get crazy and sell this mofo

[joshua484]

"Launch it off a cliff..."      I like that one Chuck.....

[chuckstang]

joshua484, on Sep 28 2009, 11:00 PM, said:

"Launch it off a cliff..."      I like that one Chuck.....

That may actually be a difficult task, depends on if I was in stop and go traffic on the way to the cliff

[SVTpower]

bossreg, on Sep 28 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

Same thing happened to me after 300 miles ...just got it back last week...afraid to get on it now....

........and that's the part that sucks,  you are no longer confident in the Ford clutch,  go aftermarket

[SVTpower]

chuckstang, on Sep 29 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

That may actually be a difficult task, depends on if I was in stop and go traffic on the way to the cliff

......Just don't post it on the web when you do,  the insurance company's investigation dept may find it

[cutter]

Grabber, on Sep 25 2009, 03:36 AM, said:

Are they doing the tranny syncro and input shaft replacement on yours too?

Cutter, I hope they get it right this time.

Do you still have both your 500's ?

Yes...I picked up the vert today and its perfect, pedal is easy to push and don't have to slip the clutch anymore to engage, dropped off the 08 and they are balking about replacing it, I guess ford is not wanting to replace the clutch, flywheel but stay out of the tranny is possible...will know more in a few days, care only has 2200 miles on it...but the vert only has 5200...I seen the bill, ford only pays alittle over 600.00 for all the labor.....parts cost around 5K...

[Grabber]

cutter, on Sep 30 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

Yes...I picked up the vert today and its perfect, pedal is easy to push and don't have to slip the clutch anymore to engage, dropped off the 08 and they are balking about replacing it, I guess ford is not wanting to replace the clutch, flywheel but stay out of the tranny is possible...will know more in a few days, care only has 2200 miles on it...but the vert only has 5200...I seen the bill, ford only pays alittle over 600.00 for all the labor.....parts cost around 5K...

cutter,

Your 2008 has the revised tranny in it. So that means it has the revised inputshaft already. The 26 male splines are a tad wider and smoother too. If the syncros test out good, then you don't need them to break into your tranny. Just have the flywheel, clutch and pilot bearing replaced.

I hope all goes well.

Let us know how you make out.

[cutter]

Grabber, on Sep 30 2009, 09:44 PM, said:

cutter,

Your 2008 has the revised tranny in it. So that means it has the revised inputshaft already. The 26 male splines are a tad wider and smoother too. If the syncros test out good, then you don't need them to break into your tranny. Just have the flywheel, clutch and pilot bearing replaced.

I hope all goes well.

Let us know how you make out.

Dealer is replacing the clutch only in the 08, but inspecting the output shaft for damage...sound fair to me....the 07 clutch is now smoother than butter....had to replace the replaced first gear syncro..never would admit what went wrong with the first one...

[joe53]

Hi Grabber,
Thanks for the usual excellent job keeping members of this forum informed on the latest TSB. I've kept informed on the TSB woes of many on our site.  Now for my dealership experience
I have an 07 GT500 produced late Sept 06.  I only have 1150 miles and have had no problems with the clutch/transmission.  I had an appointment scheduled today to reprogram the passenger side restraint (recall), so I read and took the latest TSB with me to my dealer.  It was the first time my car has been back to a dealer.  I met Paul, the senior master tech, and asked him if he was aware of the latest TSB and he said he was not but would pull it up and check it out.  I watched him perform the transmission synchro test and he came over and said the tranny was ok but he would order the parts for the clutch/flywheel replacement under the TSB.  I honestly didn't know whether to be elated or worried that it would be the start of my woes.  I asked him if it needed this and his response was, "I'd do it before it screws the tranny."  I think I agree with this since I can get the latest clutch/flywheel parts and not have to crack open the tranny.  He also said he would put the KR shifter in while the tranny was out.  I asked Paul if he had done a GT500 TSB and he said that there had not been any brought in with the problem, which I believe, as I have met several GT500 owners at local cruise ins and most don't even know that there is a TSB.  I asked him if he has put in clutches, etc and he assured me that he has.  I did a little checking with a friend in the dealer"s body shop and he said that Paul was good and he is the only one that works on SVT cars.
My question is, am I doing the right thing getting the clutch/flywheel replaced given that I have not had any problem?  Should I go to another dealer with experience doing this?

Here's what he ordered for the repair:
7R3Z-6375-B  Flywheel
7R3Z-7L596-A Clutch Kit
XG-8               PTFE Lubricant
XT-5-QM          Fluid
F6ZZ-7600-A    Sleeve
I figure they stock the sealant, grease, etc.  Anything missing?

Let me know what you guys think.
Thanks in advance!
Joe

Grabber, on Sep 19 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

TSB
09-19-11
SHELBY GT500 - CLUTCH DRAG - BUILT BEFORE 9/1/2008

This article supersedes TSB 9-9-2 to update the Service Procedure and Part List

ISSUE:
Some 2007-2009 Mustang Shelby GT500 vehicles built before 9/1/2008 may exhibit the following clutch/transmission symptoms: hard to disengage or engage 1st and reverse, hard to shift any gear, vehicle creeps with transmission in gear and clutch pedal fully depressed without brake pedal application. These symptoms may be caused by the clutch not disengaging fully when the clutch pedal is fully depressed. This may be due to flywheel distortion caused by excessive heat build-up during unique traffic conditions (example: severe stop/go urban driving, excessive clutch slipping). The clutch system is designed for performance driving conditions.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
Located at the end of the procedure are Figures 1, 2 and 3 which show the typical appearance of a flywheel and clutch that has been damaged due to overheating of the clutch. Figures 4, 5 and 6 show the typical appearance of a good flywheel and clutch.
This procedure does not apply to or correct the normal characteristics of the twin-disc cera-metallic clutch used in the Shelby GT500 vehicle or normal wear. The twin disc cera-metallic clutch incorporates racing technology to combine a low inertia assembly with a very durable friction material with high torque capability. Depending on your driving technique, the smoothness of how the clutch reacts to clutch engagements may be different from other vehicles that use a single disc clutch system. Also refer to pages 8 and 9 of the GT500 Owner Guide Supplement for additional information.
Normal Operating Characteristics Of The Twin Disc Cera-metallic Clutch
Clutch chatter/shudder when engaging the clutch.
Narrow or abrupt engagement point.
Hiss upon clutch engagement or disengagement.
Transmission gear rollover noise at idle.
Gear rattle noise at very low speeds when in 1st or 2nd gear.
Normal wear.


Transmission Synchronizer Diagnosis Procedure
The following procedure is to be used to determine if the synchronizer assemblies in the transmission may have been damaged by attempting to operate the vehicle with a dragging clutch.
1. Set parking brake.
2. Transmission in neutral.
3. Start engine and allow it to idle.
4. Clutch engaged - pedal fully released.
5. Attempt to shift transmission into first gear by firmly pushing shift lever approximately 5-10 lbf (22-45 N) force for 2-3 seconds.
6. If the synchronizers are okay, the transmission will not make any clash or grinding noise. You will not be able to move the gearshift lever into the selected gear (the synchronizer will block out gear engagement) and the engine RPM will decrease slightly.
7. Repeat the synchronizer test (Step 5 and 6) on all of the other forward gears.
a. If the transmission passes the synchronizer test, the transmission will not require additional service; proceed with clutch/flywheel replacement only. Refer to Clutch Replacement procedure.
b.  If clash/grinding noise is found when performing the synchronizer diagnostic, the transmission will need to be repaired along with the replacement of the clutch. Refer to Transmission Repair procedure.
Clutch Replacement
1. Remove the transmission per Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 308-03C.
2. Remove and replace flywheel per WSM, Section 303-01C. Discard old bolts and use bolts provided in flywheel kit.
3. Install new pilot bearing per WSM, Section 308-01.
4. Install new clutch disc and plate assembly per WSM, Section 308-01 (vehicles with solid design flywheel). Discard old bolts and use bolts provided in clutch kit. Tighten bolts to 89 lb-in (10 N-m) in a star pattern. Tighten an additional 90 degrees in a star pattern.
5. Apply a small amount of Motorcraft® PTFE Lubricant to the clutch hub splines per WSM, Section 308-01.
6. Install the transmission per WSM, Section 308-03C.
Transmission Repair
1. Remove, drain, disassemble and clean the transmission per WSM, Section 308-03C.
2. Remove and replace input shaft and all synchronizer assemblies per WSM, Section 308-03C.
3. Assemble the transmission per WSM, Section 308-03C.
4. Install the transmission per WSM, Section 308-03C

PART NUMBER PART NAME
7R3Z-6375-B Flywheel Kit (Includes Bolts)
7R3Z-7L596-A Clutch Kit (Includes Bolts)
7R3Z-7C391-B Transmission Kit
XG-8 Motorcraft® PTFE Lubricant
XT-5-QM Motorcraft® MERCON® V Automatic Transmission Fluid
PM-1-C Motorcraft® High Performance DOT 3 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid
XG-1-C Motorcraft® Premium Long-Life Grease
TA-30 Motorcraft® Silicone Gasket and Sealant
TA-25 Motorcraft® Threadlock and Sealer
F6ZZ-7600-A Pilot Bearing
1R3Z-7052-AA Transmission Input Shaft Oil Seal

WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.
OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
091911A 2007-2009 Mustang GT500: Replace The Clutch Disc And Plate Assembly; Pilot Bearing And Flywheel. Includes Time To Remove And Install Transmission, Perform The Synchronizer Diagnosis (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 3.9 Hrs.
091911B 2007-2009 Mustang GT500: Replace The Input Shaft; Synchronizer Assemblies, Clutch Disc And Plate Assembly; Pilot Bearing And Flywheel. Includes Time To Remove And Install Transmission, Perform The Synchronizer Diagnosis (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 7.4 Hrs.

DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
6375 69


NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
Copyright © 2009 Ford Motor Company

[Grabber]

Joe,

You are doing the right thing getting the new clutch and flywheel put in. I'm glad your dealership is taking care of you. The clutch and flywheel is a very basic installation and your Master Tech will not have any problems doing it. Doing the pilot bearing and putting the teflon lube on the tranny splines and clutch hub spines is very importand. Ask the tech to clean off the tranny input shaft very good before he puts the teflon lube on it. ask him to clean it with some emry cloth and a fine wire brush.

The only tricky thing is taking the tranny out and putting it back in. It's a very tight fit and has to be rotated a bit to get it out.

This thread of mine will show you all the steps that is required to pull the tranny and install the clutch and flywheel. I suggest you study it and watch the videos that I took of my Master Tech doing the work. You can then give some of the key pointers to your tech since he has not done a GT500 before.
http://www.teamshelb...p...st&p=296513

[Snake Handler]

Thanks again Grabber,  I need to get mine in and checked out.

[joe53]

Thanks Grabber!  I'll read and pass the info along to the tech.  Should have it all done in a couple of weeks and I'll let everyone know.

[mullens]

Grabber, on Sep 20 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

Start the car.

Leave your foot off the clutch pedal. (it's engaged)

Then do the test by trying to put pressure on the syncros.

Follow the directions in the TSB when doing this. (Don't push too hard and launch the car into your garage by putting it in gear)

I'd perform it in a parking lot or large field. I can see a lot of air conditioned garages with this one. It would be tough to get the exact torque push that they ask for.

Great info Grabber.

Edited by mullens, 05 October 2009 - 04:09 PM.

[FiaCobra]

Rob, I want to look at a 2009. What's the magical build date? Is it after September 1, 2008 ??

I thought we had it narrowed down to August 26, 2008.  What date is it?

[Grabber]

FiaCobra, on Oct 7 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

Rob, I want to look at a 2009. What's the magical build date? Is it after September 1, 2008 ??

I thought we had it narrowed down to August 26, 2008. What date is it?

The date that we narrowed down waqs 8/19/08.

here's the thread report out.
http://www.teamshelb...p...st&p=559998

Edited by Grabber, 10 October 2009 - 08:52 PM.

[FiaCobra]

Grabber, on Oct 7 2009, 10:37 PM, said:

The date that we narrowed down waqs 8/19/09.

here's the thread report out.
http://www.teamshelb...p...st&p=559998

Rob, don't you mean 8/19/2008......NOT 2009 !

[Grabber]

FiaCobra, on Oct 10 2009, 08:09 PM, said:

Rob, don't you mean 8/19/2008......NOT 2009 !

Yes.

I corrected my post.

Thanks.