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[shelbymotorsports]

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As evidence of the fake plaque I present to you the cardomain page of 245CID's car and mine where he asked me if I wanted to order one too;

Not too cool ;(

If anyone knows who is producing these unauthorized CS6 plaques please send me an email with their info.

Steve

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[socalwrench]

Those plaques don't even look the same. They are much thinner and made of tin or steel. Aren't the original plaques made of aluminum?

[UK PONY]

socalwrench, on 19 May 2011 - 07:52 AM, said:

Those plaques don't even look the same. They are much thinner and made of tin or steel. Aren't the original plaques made of aluminum?

The genuine article is made of billett aluminium and is shaped to fit between the centre air vents.  Aside from the obvious legal infraction my issue with these is that someone will believe them to be genuine and could be tricked into buying a stang with a $51 fake plaque believing they've bought a genuine CS.

[UK PONY]

shelbymotorsports, on 19 May 2011 - 07:34 AM, said:

Not too cool ;(

If anyone knows who is producing these unauthorized CS6 plaques please send me an email with their info.

Steve

I'd try starting with Matthew (245CID);

"Posted by: 244cidStang

03/29/2011 08:12PM Delete

Hey I have a place that for 51 bucks will make you a dash plaque obviously it will not be a csm but it looks way cool, I have a pic I can text to you. I just got mine in the mail.

Reply"

[socalwrench]

But, the CS plaques don't have a CSM number anyway. It's just a plaque saying the kit was installed.

[SHELBYCS6]

socalwrench, on 19 May 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

But, the CS plaques don't have a CSM number anyway. It's just a plaque saying the kit was installed.

It's copyright infringement for the design and logo and potentially fraud for duplicating the Carroll Shelby signature.

There is no CSM number on a Coke can either but try reproducing it and selling it and see what happens.

The dash plaque in my GT-500 doesn't have a CSM number either but it is still a liscensed item produced by SAI.

[shelbymotorsports]

SHELBYCS6, on 20 May 2011 - 03:03 AM, said:

It's copyright infringement for the design and logo and potentially fraud for duplicating the Carroll Shelby signature.

There is no CSM number on a Coke can either but try reproducing it and selling it and see what happens.

The dash plaque in my GT-500 doesn't have a CSM number either but it is still a liscensed item produced by SAI.

100% correct. Making any type of plaque using Carroll's signature, the Shelby American name or the trademarked CS6 name is actionable by Shelby Licensing.

Then we have another issue that fake plaques are intended to mislead people into believing a car is something other than it really is. This type of behavior only benefits one person while hurting all the other legitimate Shelby owners out there.

Steve

[socalwrench]

Okay guys, look. I'm not condoning the copyright infringement. I've done my part a few times to end fake Shelby stuff. I have emails to Claudia to prove it. All I was saying, is that I can tell this particular plaque is fake and I was pointing out the differences for future reference. The more we can educate car people in general, the harder it gets to counterfeit anything, including Shelby stuff.

Greg

[SHELBYCS6]

socalwrench, on 20 May 2011 - 06:20 AM, said:

Okay guys, look. I'm not condoning the copyright infringement. I've done my part a few times to end fake Shelby stuff. I have emails to Claudia to prove it. All I was saying, is that I can tell this particular plaque is fake and I was pointing out the differences for future reference. The more we can educate car people in general, the harder it gets to counterfeit anything, including Shelby stuff.

Greg

???...did I miss a reply of yours somewhere along the post ??

The way I read your comments was the plaques don't have a CSM number so what's the big deal if someone copies them.

I appologize if that's not what you meant but that is the way it reads.

[socalwrench]

ShelbyCS6, your apology accepted. This is why I hate messaging sometimes. LOL. I'm really not upset about any of this. I was trying to point out the subtle differences for car folk. I think I'm going to hand off this thread to you and ShelbyMotorsports for the organization. Take care guys.

Greg

[richstang]

socalwrench,

I got a simular vibe from a few of your posts (as did Shelby CS6). Maybe not that you didn't care but that it wasn't the same as the actual plaque so what's the big deal.
Any fake / duplicate plaque, correct or not, is fraud! It is meant to mislead the general public, perhap not an expert but, any regular guy who might think he's found something special for sale or at a local car show. It's just not cool or legal when it has the CS logo or signature. If anyone wants to build a car with shelby parts at home or at SAI that's fine. They can do whatever they want with thier money. The problem is trying to pass something off as a specific model authorized by Shelby or built by Shelby. That's a big problem!

Rich

[socalwrench]

Wow, Rich. Did you read my last posts?! Here, I will put in bold and caps for you. I AM NOT CONDONING FAKE PLAQUES. Occassionally, I have noted horrible copyright violations and reported them to Claudia at Shelby Licensing.

Greg

[richstang]

socalwrench, on 20 May 2011 - 12:51 PM, said:

Wow, Rich. Did you read my last posts?! Here, I will put in bold and caps for you. I AM NOT CONDONING FAKE PLAQUES. Occassionally, I have noted horrible copyright violations and reported them to Claudia at Shelby Licensing.

Greg

Hi Greg,
I'm not trying to berate you here. In fact I agree with you that is too quite in the CS section and any conversation are better than none. I did read your last post but I also read your post #7 where you suggested this car was a CS6 (and it is clearly not a completed CS6 car, although it is a very sharp cool car for sure) and post #17 where you mentioned only the designers can determine if it is a real CS6 or not. To me it either hasd all the parts or it doesn't, but a fake dash plaque is a red flag waving high frantically in the air and not cool. Perhaps I'm inferring the words you wrote the wrong way but it just seemd you were on both sides of this issue in this thread. You seem to support this car as real CS6 but you don't condone the fake plaque. Personnaly, I don't think you can stand on both sides, Just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours as well. Don't take this wrong, it's just a conversation, no ill will is meant.
Rich

Edited by richstang, 20 May 2011 - 01:08 PM.

[socalwrench]

Well, thanks for the reply Rich. It just seemed like I was making the damn things. LOL. Anyway, I talked with the owner and he was told by SAI, that built the car, that is was a CS6. I think SAI was fairly limited as there were some left over parts by then. Who knows? Maybe some at SAI can chime in, since maybe they confused him. All I was saying originally in regards to the CS cars, is that they don't all have to look identical in my opinion. I mean, you get SGT and GT500 guys that will change out wheels and side scoops, and the cars still have the same identity.

[SHELBYCS6]

socalwrench, on 20 May 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

Well, thanks for the reply Rich. It just seemed like I was making the damn things. LOL. Anyway, I talked with the owner and he was told by SAI, that built the car, that is was a CS6. I think SAI was fairly limited as there were some left over parts by then. Who knows? Maybe some at SAI can chime in, since maybe they confused him. All I was saying originally in regards to the CS cars, is that they don't all have to look identical in my opinion. I mean, you get SGT and GT500 guys that will change out wheels and side scoops, and the cars still have the same identity.

I agree 100% that everyone is entitled to mod their own vehicle as they see fit however the big difference is you purchase a KR, SGT,GT-350 or GT-500 as a completed package and except for color and a couple of deletes or options every vehicle starts the journey on the same page.

After the vehicle is purchased you can do what you like including making a 40th, SS or just swapping out parts like hoods or tires & rims but you can't start with an SGT and try to convert it to a GT500.



If a CS6 has every single component part purchased, installed and documented then I agree, change what you like but there is no short cut to completeing one of these vehicles so you either have a completed registered car or you don't.

[shelbymotorsports]

socalwrench, on 20 May 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

Well, thanks for the reply Rich. It just seemed like I was making the damn things. LOL. Anyway, I talked with the owner and he was told by SAI, that built the car, that is was a CS6. I think SAI was fairly limited as there were some left over parts by then. Who knows? Maybe some at SAI can chime in, since maybe they confused him. All I was saying originally in regards to the CS cars, is that they don't all have to look identical in my opinion. I mean, you get SGT and GT500 guys that will change out wheels and side scoops, and the cars still have the same identity.

Well as they say there are two sides to every story and SAI's side differs from that. I can say that the car in question is not an official CS6 nor is it an official Terlingua car. Its a nice car, no one is doubting that, but it can not be considered an official Shelby car. It falls into the category of being an owner modified Mustang with a notation that some of the mods were performed by the Shelby Speed Shop.

The unauthorized dash plaque is a separate issue that has been fully covered.

Ok, its Friday afternoon so how about we move on to where we're going to drive our cars this weekend.

Steve

[UK PONY]

shelbymotorsports, on 20 May 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Well as they say there are two sides to every story and SAI's side differs from that. I can say that the car in question is not an official CS6 nor is it an official Terlingua car. Its a nice car, no one is doubting that, but it can not be considered an official Shelby car. It falls into the category of being an owner modified Mustang with a notation that some of the mods were performed by the Shelby Speed Shop.

The unauthorized dash plaque is a separate issue that has been fully covered.

Ok, its Friday afternoon so how about we move on to where we're going to drive our cars this weekend.

Steve

It is indeed a nice car, glad to have the official standpoint on it being clarified.

This weekend is set for rain so my CS will be confined to the garage .

[socalwrench]

My rear bumper isn't back from the paint shop yet. So, I won't be driving it this weekend.