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Poll: What oil are you currently using in your Shelby 5.4L? (160 member(s) have cast votes)

What oil are you currently using in your Shelby 5.4L?

  1. Voted Motorcraft 5W-50 (66 votes [41.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.25%

  2. Castrol 5W-50 (27 votes [16.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.88%

  3. Pennzoil 5W-50 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Mobil 1 5W-50 (11 votes [6.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.88%

  5. Mobil 1 15W-50 (6 votes [3.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.75%

  6. Red Line 5W-50 (19 votes [11.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.88%

  7. Amsoil 10W-40 (21 votes [13.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.12%

  8. Amsoil 10W-30 (3 votes [1.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.88%

  9. Other (post what you are using) (7 votes [4.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.38%

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#61 OFFLINE   Grabber

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:47 PM

Dear Amsoil Rep.,

Please contact the site operations manager at robertl@shelbyamerican.com to become a site vendor of the Amsoil products that you promote here.

Thank you.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:57 PM

I will send him Robert Lanes e-mail so he can sign up to be a site vendor.




Good idea, Rob :tiphat:


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Posted 03 October 2011 - 07:04 PM

Good idea, Rob :tiphat:


Once the dues are paid, the selling of the Amsoil on here can begin. Even the scrolling Amysoil message at the top of the site can be engaged. All takes is Money !
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 07:06 PM

.....or free oil certificates. :hysterical:
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 07:47 PM

He wonít be signing up soon. According to his own poll only 2 people on TS use the stuff anyways....

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 08:00 PM

Pardon my french, but what a load of crap!


In that first pic it's very clear that the Amsoil filter has considerably fewer pleats (and they also appear somewhat shorter too) for considerably less total filter-media area. Now you're saying they also filter finer particles too. Clearly that must result in more material being removed from the oil, so the Amsoil filter would have to clog up earlier *or* go into bypass *or* both -- *OR* the magic filtering is bogus ....or Amsoil filter meida is made from unobtanium from planet Am which defies the known laws of terrestrial physics for filter media. Then, at the bottom you show an MC FL1A which is not even for these cars and is a much larger filter -- which is why it can have less pleats in the media and still have plenty of filter area. And clearly Toyota and Honda also don't know what they're doing from that chart -- only the great Am does -doh!

I've had enough snake-oil BS for the day -lol. You are proselyetizing a brand and likely have some affiliation or personal involvement/benefit -- direct or indirect -- with Amsoil. You've crossed over the line from discussing to blatantly 'pushing' a product/brand without paying a vendor license fee to the site -- in violation of your site registration agreement? I think so.

Clever how some products use advocates to get around the FCC internet 'shill' disclosure rules of recent.


Guess you should study up on nano fiber technology. Your old school mind of thinking is failing.

I came here for Shelby owner's Used Oil Analysis reports....either provide what I have asked for or please leave this thread and never return.

I will send him Robert Lanes e-mail so he can sign up to be a site vendor.


Don't bother....there isn't enough activity on this site to warrant looking for UOA reports. Kinda odd that people directly attack me, when I know I'm right...yet start all the "not a vendor" crap when I post proof.

So lame.

Have you guys ever wondered why SVT Performance is kicking Team Shelby's butt with internet traffic? This is the reason right here...

Edited by UnleashedBeast, 03 October 2011 - 08:08 PM.


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Posted 03 October 2011 - 08:12 PM

...

I came here for Shelby owner's Used Oil Analysis reports....either provide what I have asked for or please leave this thread and never return.


Who died and left you boss? -lol Either stop proselyetizing or kindly leave this site and never return :hysterical:


Don't bother....there isn't enough activity on this site to warrant looking for UOA reports.


I wonder how much each one is worth to you ...or, should I say, the great Am :hysterical:

You think no one knows what's really going on here, eh?

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:57 AM

You think no one knows what's really going on here, eh?

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What is really going on here is summed up below....

I challenge you sir....use a true synthetic 10W-40 from Red Line, Amsoil, or Royal Purple....you WILL experience a noticeable difference.


Motorcraft 5W-50 wouldn't survive the torture of NASCAR....and trying to spin this around that it's because of a bias on Amsoil....that's comedy. I will say this yet again....I'm a believer in true synthetics, not the "highly refined petroleum" many have adopted as "just as good". Now that's "Poppy Cock."

For use in the Shelby, lubricants better than MC 5W-50 are....

Royal Purple 10W-40
Red Line 10W-40
Amsoil 10W-40
Mobil 1 0W-40 (oh man....did the "Amsoil" guy just say Mobil 1?)

all of which use only true synthetic base stocks and robust additive packs. This proves my point about the "biased" comments.

NASCAR uses only true synthetic lubricants with racing levels of ZDDP and very robust additive packages. This is a far cry from the formulation used on MC 5W-50. You will never see refined petroleum being used in NASCAR engines during any event.


Quoted for truth!

Oh, I'm sorry....I should have NEVER came on to a car lover forum and promoted true synthetics over refined petroleum. '68 and his firing squad would like you to believe I am biased towards Amsoil, and have an agenda (failed assumption). You are correct on one thing...I do have an agenda. That agenda is to get as many UOAs from anyone who has them. Then we can compare the results so I will have even more bullets in my gun to prove you all wrong.

I think the discontent in this thread is....they do not want Motorcraft 5W-50 put into a negative perspective. They defend it like those still loyal to Obama....lol

Edited by UnleashedBeast, 04 October 2011 - 09:05 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 09:32 AM

...whatever you say, boss -lol.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 10:54 AM

Beast---the older one gets the more resistive to change they become. This is evident on a lot of posts and threads but technological advancements are just a fact of life. Donít be too discouraged just ignore them because you will never be able to change their minds or their Depends..

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:59 PM

Beast---the older one gets the more resistive to change they become. This is evident on a lot of posts and threads but technological advancements are just a fact of life. Donít be too discouraged just ignore them because you will never be able to change their minds or their Depends..


So now anyone who does not use the anointed oil is a fool and wears Depends. LOL
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:09 PM

Since you brought up the subject....yes I use the Amsoil EaO11...and for darn good reason. Filters smaller microns more efficiently and offers better flow at the same time. They are built far superior to the MC 820, have a higher burst pressure strength, and offer longer periods of use.

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I don't use that FL820. I use the CM6731-FL820. It's a Ford Racing high performance filter. Doesn't the majority of folks on here use this one? :headscratch:

It is much better then the plain old FL820 you use in your example. And I love the "Ford Racing" logo on the CM6731-FL820... :shrug:

Here's the link and a pic...



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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:15 PM

Dear Amsoil Rep.,

Please contact the site operations manager at robertl@shelbyamerican.com to become a site vendor of the Amsoil products that you promote here.

Thank you.


+1

And arrange for anyone on TeamShelby to get the "Preferred Customer" discount with out paying for it. :happy feet:

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:08 PM

+1

And arrange for anyone on TeamShelby to get the "Preferred Customer" discount with out paying for it. :happy feet:


How does someone buying at dealer cost benefit me? Not at all, I do it for the love of cars.

The FRPP version of the filter is an improved version. Stronger case, better media, better ADBV, etc...

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:10 PM

So now you're throwing Team Shelby site under the bus. Wow man, you're on a roll!!

Dude, take a look at the Amsoil website- I highlighted the part that you missed in your sales training class:

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Enough said.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:26 PM

Their list means nothing.....and yes, this was asked of someone in the high ranks....this was the reply

"Amsoil's legal department doesn't recommend a lubricant in the list for the Shelby GT500 because we do not formulate a 5W-50. The legal department will not allow us to recommend anything on the website look up that doesn't meet a manufacturers recommendations. We know that we have a few different lubricants that will exceed the recommended specs, but the legal department wants the ability to lay liability on the OEM 100% if there is a failure...which is highly unlikely.

Amsoil has no intention of formulating a 5W-50 to meet Ford's requirements because it's not cost worthy. Only three cars in their fleet require this lubricant."


Try harder....your reply proves nothing other than Amsoil's legal team plays it 100% safe. Call their tech support...and you will get a different answer entirely. One tech guy @ Amsoil told me by phone....

"Why would we want to formulate a lubricant to those specs? It doesn't meet OUR minimum requirements."


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Edited by UnleashedBeast, 04 October 2011 - 06:28 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:59 PM

"Why would we want to formulate a lubricant to those specs? It doesn't meet OUR minimum requirements."




..Right! because MC WSS-M2C931-B 5W50 meets Ford's requirements and no Amsoil productmeets that spec -- so of course the planet Am would say that :hysterical: ...everything looks like a nail when you have is a hammer :doh:



This has become a funny thread -- I simply can not take the great Am seriously any longer. Congratulations, Beast, you have single-handedly managed to colapse the image of an entire corporation :lol:





Anyhow, gotta go stock-up on MC 5W50 and Depends ...'cause you're making me laugh so hard I might wet myself :hysterical2:


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:02 PM

Your beloved MC 5W-50 is failing in every UOA sample I have possession of....and the proof in on page #1...post #1. My UOAs will beat every UOA you submit from Motorcraft 5W-50. My wear numbers will ALWAYS be lower. My efficiency will always be higher. If you don't agree...just move on...but the proof is right where I said it is.

I don't care what you say about Amsoil...I'm here to collect UOAs, you and Secondo are here to start a post war.

Edited by UnleashedBeast, 04 October 2011 - 07:06 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:09 PM

doh! I think we're going around in that circle for the thrid time now.



No hard feelings, but this is now old. ...peace.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:20 PM


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:23 PM

This ones even better. :hysterical:


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:46 PM

Those guys are awesome...classic comedy! :beerchug:

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:50 PM

Those guys are awesome...classic comedy! :beerchug:


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 01:35 PM

How does someone buying at dealer cost benefit me? Not at all, I do it for the love of cars.


WTF? :headscratch: I just asked if you could get us a the preferred customer discount. I didn't say it was benefitting you... :slapfight:

You are your own worst enemy on this thread. Chillax....

The FRPP version of the filter is an improved version. Stronger case, better media, better ADBV, etc...


Duh... I know it's a better version that's why it's used on our 5.4's. I've never seen a FL820 on a Shelby. So, my question is why didn't you use a CM6731 FL820 in your example?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 01:37 PM

Makes me feel like a teenager again. Posted Image


Cheech and Chong makes me wanna go roll a big fatty! :happy feet:

To bad I'm just an old fart! Those were the days.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:10 PM

WTF? :headscratch: I just asked if you could get us a the preferred customer discount. I didn't say it was benefitting you... :slapfight:

You are your own worst enemy on this thread. Chillax....


Sorry, thought you were implying that I was being mischievous. I misread your post, sorry.

Duh... I know it's a better version that's why it's used on our 5.4's. I've never seen a FL820 on a Shelby. So, my question is why didn't you use a CM6731 FL820 in your example?


I've search consistently for a new cut open FRPP oil filter for the 4.6 and 5.4 engines. No such luck. Do you know where I could find this?

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 11:43 AM

I have to weigh in on this one. I have two 2011 GT500s. I first ran Redline 5W50 after paying the high prices of dealership for MC. As I began to read and learn more about oils I thought I would try Amsoil after seeing the results.I first switched to 10W40 in my wife's Shelby because she was due. On initial start-up I noticed her car was not only quietier but the start-up was quickier. The power delivery was smoother and the throttle response was better. It just felt like the engine was not working as hard. The fuel economy improved in town by a minimum of 2MPG. These were all statments made by my wife to me approx. three days after a put the oil in. She asked what else I had done to her car. She loved it. I could wait to put AMSOIL in my Shelby. Since I have put Amsoil in my car and bikes with the same results. I was confused why Redline a true synthetic felt different than my Amsoil. This weight of oil is not right for our cars in my opinion.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 05:03 PM

It's amazing how when someone believes a subject change has occurred, they
beleive it has -lol.

In every test from lawsuits over the past couple of
years of other oils advertising they produce better results than Castrol Syntec
(not saying it's best, but they were the one suing) similar to those you
described, rigorous laboratory testing presented in those suits has resulted in
a win for Castrol *every* time -- i.e. no basis-in-fact.

I'm not saying your wife didn't say those things. I'm not saying she didn't beleive
she perceived those things. I'm just saying there's no basis-in-fact
that any oil manufacturere has been able to sustain in any court that I'm aware
of (viscocity and noise aside).

That said, I can understand how diferent weight oils can
affect engine noise/sound (in the old days 20W50 racing oil reduced lifter noise
and you could hear that with a a steth). However, a cold start after
sitting for a few days in a cold climate might show a 5W to get quiet much
wuicker than a 10W or 20W since the 5W has a shorter cold-start latency period
whether -10*F or +70*F (and that one of the reasons OEMs specify it (since 80+%
of *all* engine wear occurs during the cold-latency window. As far as
starting quicker, theres a couple different aspects to that: speed of cranking
and duration from starter-engagement to all cylinders lighting-off -- generally
measured more unambiguously as the duration until the the O2s detect greater
than a certain percentage of 'switching.' If anything, a 5W oil will
permit faster cranking than a 10W or 20W (less starter motor energy lost to the
lower viscocity oil) and I'm not aware of any scientific studies that show
releiable O2 switching after a cold-soak showing any dependency on oil type (if
such data exists I'd like to see it). Smoother power deliver is too
ambiguous, imo, and quicker throttle response is managed by myriad
setting in the tune that oil simply does not affect., imho.

Anyhow, I
will admit that every time I change my oil I'm tempted to give-in to a genuine
feeling that the engine runs smoother and even that the car runs better overall,
but I know that's mostly my mind playing games with me, except to the small
extent fresh oil and new filter presents an effective viscocity change and a tad
less flow resistance, etc.

Maybe next time try MC 5W50 and see if your
wife notices a slower start-up, noisier engine, less power and poorer throttle
response :doh:
...just being honest here and no disrespect meant to your
wife. Sometimes when I clean the windows and vacuum the carpets and
upholstery my wife has asked if I did something to the tires because the car
feels like it handles differently (really) ...the mind can do funny things
sometimes -- and most aftermarket oil additive advertising exploits that fully
-- like the counter display with little gears in two diffferent oils that proves
oil-B will make your engine last longer but, of course, even if it were true
(and some additives do test better in certain ways) plastic gear at room
temperature over a 30 second period is thoroughly meaningless at showing
anything except room temperature viscocity.


Anyhow, I've also learned
that if my wife beleives something to be true, it's smoetimes best to just
accept if :grin:

Btw, welcome to the site!!


[edit:] to try to correct formatting glitch
[edit:] I guess that didn't work -lol

Edited by 68fastback, 09 October 2011 - 05:08 PM.


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Posted 10 October 2011 - 03:35 AM

If anything, a 5W oil will
permit faster cranking than a 10W or 20W (less starter motor energy lost to the
lower viscocity oil) and I'm not aware of any scientific studies that show
releiable O2 switching after a cold-soak showing any dependency on oil type (if
such data exists I'd like to see it). Smoother power deliver is too
ambiguous, imo, and quicker throttle response is managed by myriad
setting in the tune that oil simply does not affect., imho.


Your opinion is wrong. Motorcraft 5W-50 has to shear 2,000 miles before it is close to the viscosity @ 32*F (0*C) as Amsoil 10W-40. Until then, it is much more viscous and will create much more start up wear. Don't let that first number mislead you. MC 5W-50 has the specs of a 20W-50 until it has sheared. Since Red Line 5W-50 and Amsoil 20W-50 do not shear like MC 5W-50, they will continue to have that sluggish feeling due to a heavy viscosity. Since MC 5W-50 is formulated with group III base stocks....it will not have the improved friction coefficient, or the cold flow properties, of a group IV PAO.

Virgin viscosity specs
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Used viscosity specs after shearing - ~2,000 miles (MC samples used are from the UOA tracking chart)
Posted Image

You can continue to support the use of MC 5W-50, but the facts don't lie.

Edited by UnleashedBeast, 10 October 2011 - 04:44 AM.


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Posted 10 October 2011 - 05:54 AM

This ones even better. :hysterical:



Great one Grabber! I had the album "Los Cochinos" listened too it over and over and over...

:hysterical2:

Edited by jerseygator, 10 October 2011 - 05:55 AM.

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Celebrity Pick All Fords Nationals, Carlisle 2010 "Clean & Correct"
Celebrity Pick All Fords Nationals, Carlisle 2012 "Track History"

47,000 miles.... It isn't a FLOWER!

Shelby Alcoa 20" rims w/ Nitto Invo's 255/35ZR front, 295/35ZR rear, Shelby LCA Relocation brackets; Shelby Short Throw Shifter, FRPP Cold-Air intake; FRPP Strut Tower Brace; JDM Engineering Tune; L&M Plenum (port matched blower); KR Exhaust; SPEC Super Twin S-Trim Clutch; AM Sequential taillights; CDC Hood Struts; Shelby Kicker Premium upgrade; Shelby GT500 Door sill; Lloyds GT500 floor mats, Visor and Dash plaque signed by Mr Shelby; Shelby 50th fender stripe... And decals GALORE!

 

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