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[bpmurr]

Whammer, on 24 February 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:

It's a different economy but those who have the kind of coin to buy these cars aren't truly effected by the economy. They've got the money and the dealers know they do and nearly everyone of them is going to try for an ADM.

BS, I certainly am and have had both a 2010 and 2011 GT500.  I laugh when people think just rich people own these cars.  The pricing of the GT500 could very well drive me towards a Boss 302 or ZL1.

carnut12, on 25 February 2012 - 06:07 AM, said:

Your absolutely right not to mention there was not competition and there was a "Shelby" frenzy.  There is no way $10k worth of improvements were made.

There are tons of 2011 and 2012's left on the dealer lots due to the higher price, there will be plenty of 2013's next year as well.

Yeah with Dodge and Chevy having a car along with $2500 cash from Ford on left over 2011 & 2012 GT500s, there isn't much reason for someone to pay more than MSRP.  Now I'm sure a lot of dealers will try to ask for it, some will get it, most will have cars sit for awhile until they come down to earth.

Edited by bpmurr, 25 February 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[ASO544]

With all the techical data they have been given by Ford/SVT, they arent pulling that MSRP number from thin air!

[rhlgt500]

http://www.caranddri...ype-ride-review

Article says starting price for the coupe will be under $60K but "not by much".  So they will get pricey fast if you check all the option package boxes.  SVT Performance Pack, Track Pack, Electronics Pack, Recaro's, Glass Roof could be pushing $70K depending on how the details work out and what is included in what pack.  On the other hand "Ford would be happy with 10K a year" as far as sales and is making them on the same assembly line as all the other Mustangs to support the volume.  So ADMs shouldn't be an issue for anyone willing to shop around a bit and some patience.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

carnut12, on 25 February 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:

They will still make it, call it a Cobra or SVT.  Could be better for us all, maybe they will lower the price everyone is paying for all those Shelby Emblems.

Exactly.

The only thing on my 2010 that says GT500 is the faux gas cap and the fender rocker sticker. On stipe delete cars, it's just the faux gas cap that says GT500 on it.

It would be real cheap and easy to change that to SVT or Cobra (which is pretty much what I said in my post).

Apparently someone on this fourm is too dense to figure out that they would not have to cease production of THE CAR, just THE NAME and that it wouldn't cost Ford "millions" to change the name from GT500 to Cobra.


Phill

[2010KonaBlueGT]

ChrisSD, on 24 February 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

"SVT Sales Reps" are idiots that know nothing. Cease production my ass. The car will cease production as soon as Ford wants to or their ALREADY AGREED UPON licensing agreement ends. Quit believing all this BS guys. Ford dealers know LEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS about these cars than we do.

Really Chris?

When I reflect back on everything this very same Certified SVT Sales Rep (& Mgr) told me regarding the changes for the 2013 GT500, it was 100% accurate.

For instance; The changes in the front facia, the changes in the front grille, the changes to the rear lights, the addition of the LED lights, the incease in engine displacement, the horsepower increase, everything.

What that tells me is that they know *considerably* more about the SVT line than you do.

So if they're "idiots".......What's that make YOU?


Phill

[2010KonaBlueGT]

ChrisSD, on 24 February 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

"Otherwise, if Shelby were to leave us today, they wouldn't be able to produce the already announced 2013 models."

ROFL. Ford will sell the 2013 as is, named the GT500, for the entire 2013 model year regardless of the life status of Mr. Shelby.

Uh, yeah, no shit. That's pretty much what I said. See where I say "OTHERWISE"?

Why don't ya try reading (& comprehending) a post before you comment on it. The whole post and not just specific lines of it.


Phill

[2010KonaBlueGT]

ChrisSD, on 24 February 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

rofl, no way.

2 - 5 at the most.

I agree with Chris.

Historically, it's been +$5K for a convertable vs. a coupe.

I doubt VERY much they will double the historic price, when they've added nothing to the 'Vert to justify a increase.

The 'Vert has also traditionally undersold the coupe so there isn't some new-found demand for Convertables to justify a price increase either.

Who told who that a 'Vert would be $10K over a Coupe???

I haven't heard anything of that nature. But that doesn't mean it's not true.


Phill

[2010KonaBlueGT]

bpmurr, on 25 February 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

I laugh when people think just rich people own these cars.  

I completely agree.

I paid more for my F-150 4x4 than I did for my GT500. Both on MSRP *and* OTD.

That wasn't a Super-Duty, it was a F-150 4x4. And not top of the line (Platinum) either.

And there are a HELL of a lot more F-150's out there than there are GT500's.


Phill

[mgalvan]

GUYS,

I get my order guides and price lists on march 3rd.  I've got 15 customer orders to put in including my own.  Let me know if you guys need any help with ordering a 2013 GT500 or have questions with pricing. i will have the second highest allocation in the United States.  I sold the second highest amount of GT500's in 2011.  Lost it by 2 units!  This year I will be #1

Manny Galvan
AKA "mustang Manny"

[Grabber]

mgalvan, on 25 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

GUYS,

I get my order guides and price lists on march 3rd.  I've got 15 customer orders to put in including my own.  Let me know if you guys need any help with ordering a 2013 GT500 or have questions with pricing. i will have the second highest allocation in the United States.  I sold the second highest amount of GT500's in 2011.  Lost it by 2 units!  This year I will be #1

Manny Galvan
AKA "mustang Manny"

Manny, The million dollar Question is what are you selling them for ?  Meaning MSRP or $500 under MSRP or ????

[JeffInDFW]

svtkeith, on 25 February 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

09 and 10 ZR-1's for 77k's!!! Really..Whats the milage??? been looking in the Car Gurus all over the US and can't find one with low

milage for anywhere under $86,000......... ............If I could find a low milage 09-010 ZR-1 for $77,000 I'd jump on it real quick.

As I said, in autotrader.  Here is a 2010 with 14,001 miles, and it has the 3ZR package which is ALL the options.  $79,994 asking price
http://www.autotrade...&standard=false


Here is a 2009 with 25,000 miles for $74,000 asking price

http://www.autotrade...&standard=false

2009 with 33,000 miles asking $76,000

http://www.autotrade...&standard=false

Many more listed.

[JeffInDFW]

I'm pulling ALL of this out of my butt, so no inside sources.......I wonder if Ford is thinking.....

When the GT500 came out in 2007, they priced it at a reasonable level, but the dealers jacked the price thru the roof and GOT IT for most of the first model year.  Ford priced the Ford GT at a reasonable level, and watched dealers jack the price thru the roof and get it.  Now, all these years later GTs are still selling for more than the original sticker asking price.

I wonder if Ford is thinking....We have a hot ticket here and this time WE are going to get the profit from it instead of sitting here watching the dealers add on the dealer ADM.  Put the car where the dealers WOULD have placed it anyway, and we will get the extra profit.  There are enough "fat cats" out there that will pay the higher price to be able to sell out the first model year at the higher price.  For the 2014s, all they have to do is put a $7,000 rebate on the car to help move them, and that will STILL be a big, healthy profit for Ford since this year they are jacking an extra $10,000 onto the MSRP.

Am I nuts?  What do you guys think???

[SVT NAJA]

JeffInDFW, on 25 February 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I'm pulling ALL of this out of my butt, so no inside sources.......I wonder if Ford is thinking.....

When the GT500 came out in 2007, they priced it at a reasonable level, but the dealers jacked the price thru the roof and GOT IT for most of the first model year.  Ford priced the Ford GT at a reasonable level, and watched dealers jack the price thru the roof and get it.  Now, all these years later GTs are still selling for more than the original sticker asking price.

I wonder if Ford is thinking....We have a hot ticket here and this time WE are going to get the profit from it instead of sitting here watching the dealers add on the dealer ADM.  Put the car where the dealers WOULD have placed it anyway, and we will get the extra profit.  There are enough "fat cats" out there that will pay the higher price to be able to sell out the first model year at the higher price.  For the 2014s, all they have to do is put a $7,000 rebate on the car to help move them, and that will STILL be a big, healthy profit for Ford since this year they are jacking an extra $10,000 onto the MSRP.

Am I nuts?  What do you guys think???

Jeff,

Please don't give Ford any ideas...

[SVT NAJA]

2010KonaBlueGT, on 25 February 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

Exactly.

The only thing on my 2010 that says GT500 is the faux gas cap and the fender rocker sticker. On stipe delete cars, it's just the faux gas cap that says GT500 on it.

It would be real cheap and easy to change that to SVT or Cobra (which is pretty much what I said in my post).

Apparently someone on this fourm is too dense to figure out that they would not have to cease production of THE CAR, just THE NAME and that it wouldn't cost Ford "millions" to change the name from GT500 to Cobra.


Phill

Phill,

Don't forget the "GT500" as seen here on the right side of the passenger airbag cover...

[KevinWitten]

JeffInDFW, on 25 February 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I'm pulling ALL of this out of my butt, so no inside sources.......I wonder if Ford is thinking.....

When the GT500 came out in 2007, they priced it at a reasonable level, but the dealers jacked the price thru the roof and GOT IT for most of the first model year.  Ford priced the Ford GT at a reasonable level, and watched dealers jack the price thru the roof and get it.  Now, all these years later GTs are still selling for more than the original sticker asking price.

I wonder if Ford is thinking....We have a hot ticket here and this time WE are going to get the profit from it instead of sitting here watching the dealers add on the dealer ADM.  Put the car where the dealers WOULD have placed it anyway, and we will get the extra profit.  There are enough "fat cats" out there that will pay the higher price to be able to sell out the first model year at the higher price.  For the 2014s, all they have to do is put a $7,000 rebate on the car to help move them, and that will STILL be a big, healthy profit for Ford since this year they are jacking an extra $10,000 onto the MSRP.

Am I nuts?  What do you guys think???

This may be correct. And if true, they will gain the extra cash for the first few months as the "I gotta be the first guy on the block" people buy them. Then when there are enough cars produced, they will be sitting on the lot just like the the 2012 are. Ford will lose all the guys that were willing to wait to get a great car at a reasonable price. Besides, when Ford set the price at a reasonable price and dealers add AMD, alot of people got angry at the dealers. Does Ford really want that anger on them?

If the price increase is true, it is making the Corvette look more atractive all the time. And this is commng from an ex Ford employee.

[YZD263]

2010KonaBlueGT, on 25 February 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

Exactly.

The only thing on my 2010 that says GT500 is the faux gas cap and the fender rocker sticker. On stipe delete cars, it's just the faux gas cap that says GT500 on it.

It would be real cheap and easy to change that to SVT or Cobra (which is pretty much what I said in my post).

Apparently someone on this fourm is too dense to figure out that they would not have to cease production of THE CAR, just THE NAME and that it wouldn't cost Ford "millions" to change the name from GT500 to Cobra.


Phill

I'm not sure the issue would be how much money is needed to remove the GT500 and/or Shelby stripes,badges, emblems etc.out of the car, but rather whether Ford wants to loose the brand equity associated with the Shelby name. When you purchase a business, this is something that is referred to as goodwill. It is not a tangible asset, but it still has value to a company.

While there are exceptions, changing a car's name generally occurs when a new generation of the car comes out, and only when a comapny wishes to give its product a fresh start. In other words, when there is no positive goodwill associated to a name. For instance, Chevy had the Cavalier that sold OK but was viewed as a lousy car. They decided to change to Cobalt, and the car was not much better. They wanted another fresh start and changed the name for Cruze for the current genenration.  On the opposite, the 2013 Fusion will be identical to the European Ford Mondeo. Ford could have used the opportunity to change the name (no added cost since the model will be totally new). However, Ford judged that the goodwill associated with the name Fusion in North America was too significant to proceed with a name change. Cars with good reputation and loyal following generally hold on to their name for a long time. Mustang and Corvette are two good examples.

My point is that if the 2014 is totally identical to the 2013, it does not make sense to erase the goodwill associated with the "Shelby GT500" name and replace it with "SVT Cobra", even if the cost is minimal. It could make more sense for the 2015, only because the car will lilely be totally new, lose its retrro stylling, and probably be aimed at a younger crowd for which the name Shelby has less significance.

[svtkeith]

JeffInDFW, on 25 February 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

As I said, in autotrader.  Here is a 2010 with 14,001 miles, and it has the 3ZR package which is ALL the options.  $79,994 asking price
http://www.autotrade...&standard=false


Here is a 2009 with 25,000 miles for $74,000 asking price

http://www.autotrade...&standard=false

2009 with 33,000 miles asking $76,000

http://www.autotrade...&standard=false

Many more listed.

Thanks for the info...Guess I should have explained what I mean by low milage...I saw lots in that mileage area but as

any other Perf car I wouldn't buy them with anything over 5K miles unless I knew who had the car...I've found that these

cars are raced when new and put through hell right off the showroom floor...Gona wait and see what the 013 GT500 is

going to be priced at also.

[YZD263]

JeffInDFW, on 25 February 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I'm pulling ALL of this out of my butt, so no inside sources.......I wonder if Ford is thinking.....

When the GT500 came out in 2007, they priced it at a reasonable level, but the dealers jacked the price thru the roof and GOT IT for most of the first model year.  Ford priced the Ford GT at a reasonable level, and watched dealers jack the price thru the roof and get it.  Now, all these years later GTs are still selling for more than the original sticker asking price.

I wonder if Ford is thinking....We have a hot ticket here and this time WE are going to get the profit from it instead of sitting here watching the dealers add on the dealer ADM.  Put the car where the dealers WOULD have placed it anyway, and we will get the extra profit.  There are enough "fat cats" out there that will pay the higher price to be able to sell out the first model year at the higher price.  For the 2014s, all they have to do is put a $7,000 rebate on the car to help move them, and that will STILL be a big, healthy profit for Ford since this year they are jacking an extra $10,000 onto the MSRP.

Am I nuts?  What do you guys think???

Ford indeed left a lot of money on the table in the fisrt year of production of the GT500. At an average of $10K ADM per car for roughly 10,000 cars (the 2007 production), Ford probably could have made another $100 million in the first year of production, and then discount the cars to their "normal" price for the following years. The context is different now. The Camaro and Challenger did not exist then. 500hp was a magical number that only high end exotics plus a couple of pricier american cars (Viper and Z06) could reach. On top of that, there was the novelty of the Shelby name being associated once again to the Mustang after all those years. The economy was also in a much better shape when the GT500 hit the market in the summer of 2006. The crisis really began hitting in mid 2007, over a year after the car is introduced. For those reasons, I do not thing that it would be a smart move for Ford to be too greedy with its pricing. The context is different now.

[KevinWitten]

YZD263, on 26 February 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

Ford indeed left a lot of money on the table in the fisrt year of production of the GT500. At an average of $10K ADM per car for roughly 10,000 cars (the 2007 production), Ford probably could have made another $100 million in the first year of production, and then discount the cars to their "normal" price for the following years. The context is different now. The Camaro and Challenger did not exist then. 500hp was a magical number that only high end exotics plus a couple of pricier american cars (Viper and Z06) could reach. On top of that, there was the novelty of the Shelby name being associated once again to the Mustang after all those years. The economy was also in a much better shape when the GT500 hit the market in the summer of 2006. The crisis really began hitting in mid 2007, over a year after the car is introduced. For those reasons, I do not thing that it would be a smart move for Ford to be too greedy with its pricing. The context is different now.

It's just supply and demand. When Ford sets the price they guess what demand that will bring. If they overestimate, there will be cars sitting on the lot. If they underestimate, the dealers will compensate by adding AMD.

So instead of charging a higher price out of the gate, Ford could has increased supply. Sure they make less per car but sell more cars, increasing total profits as well.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

SVT NAJA, on 26 February 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

Phill,
Don't forget the "GT500" as seen here on the right side of the passenger airbag cover...

lol...and the GT500 on the floor mats (at least on a 2010+ MY).

Again, it'd be cheap/easy to change that to SVT, Cobra, GT???, etc.

I doubt very much that the CAR will die but I think it is at least *conceivable* that the name can, or even will.

I *assume* that Carroll Shelby's next of kin (his wife, Cleo Shelby) will be the heir to his estate and SHE could license the name and allow Ford to use the GT500 moniker, and the Shelby name...couldn't she? Or is the license exclusive to CARROLL Shelby?

And for the record, I'm not saying this is FACT, I'm saying it's what I was told, albeit by a very reliable source.


Phill