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[mach 1 1970]

I owned my first Shelby a 66 GT350 in 1982. I paid  $10K for her and put about 4000 miles in 14 years . I sold her for $36K in 1996.Then went and bought a few Boss's. Some of the low production low mileage Shelby's will be the first to hit bottom  and then rise. The 10 year mark will be the starting point . I have been doing this for 33 years ( GM products also ) and I am not the only one that agrees with this . If you build the shit out of a certain model forget it ( not RARE ).  Leave the SGT's , GT-H's and KR's alone, no more period. People in the future want something they can't buy anymore and can't get. Car people like us like having a limited rare Shelby with a story and pedigree. Most important we love the SGT for it's performance , looks and don't need the most powerfull Shelby on the market. Given time the SGT will be something special.  Work on your GT350's and wait for the new Mustang then go for it .If you have not seen it ask Ford then figure out what your plans are. Keep an eye on Roush !!--- The new 650 HP GT500 and Boss 302 will overshadow anything you do with the 5.0. Don't forget the ZL1 and 392.

Edited by mach 1 1970, 06 May 2012 - 06:30 AM.

[SGT0225]

roger-SAI, on 04 May 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

What would be the market threshold for a Shelby GT from price point? Let's take a dream build of what the Shelby GT was:

Open the enitre color pallett and coupe of convertible configuration:

• Base 2013 5.0 GT 400 A package
  
• Track Package (helical 3:73, brembo brake pkg., FR3 suspension, HD radiator, engine oil cooler, 19"x9" aluminum wheels, summer performance compound tires)
  
• Short throw shifter
  
• Billet grille
  
• CS rear fascia/front fascia
  
• Ford Racing performance exhaust
  
• Adjustable panhard bar
  
• Ford Racing front brake cooling ducts
  
• Over the top stripes
  
• Rear spoiler delete
  
• Shelby lettering on the upper trunk
  
• Rocker stripe
  
• Cold air kit with tune
  
• Shelby badging and CSM as was the SGT
  
• Painted stripes as an option

What would you expect to pay for the package excluding the Track Package?

Roger

Ford has already copied the 2007 GT500 body and given it to every 2013 mustang owner.
Shelby fixed all the SGT problems with the new GT350.
Ford has the Boss 302 which Shelby would have to out do.

[ccsl7578]

I guess if I didn't already own a 07 SGT, I would be in the market for a new SGT with the 5.0 engine, suspension and exhaust mods. But, I'm a die-hard Shelby fan, for those who are not... the new Boss 302 would be my choice!  Also, I would not sell my 07 to upgrade to a new SGT!  Just saying....

[39Mustang]

roger-SAI, on 03 May 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

What are your thoughts for a limited run updated Shelby GT?

Roger

NO... with the GT350, GTS, Super Snakes, you don't need it but like someone already mentioned Shelby meaning SAI doing a GT/CS would make sense. Limited run, low cost, and something different

[IASHELBYGT]

EL SHELBY, on 04 May 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

For me it all depends on what is offered and what it looks like. The 07-08 SGT will always be more valuable than a standard Mustang GT but I don't believe it will be by much. How well they are cared for and mileage will dictate value more than anything.

If we are talking a choice of body and stripe colors with the SGT hood scoop, Ford Racing suspension on the Mustang GT track-pack car (Brembos and recaros) I would be very interested.

For me the though decision would be 'Do I want an New SGT or a BOSS?'

That's where I'm at as well. The quality, features and price would have to be in the new Boss 302 range or I would just get a Boss.  I wouldn't drop $40K for a new Mustang GT and then another $15K (or more) for a new SGT package.  It just wouldn't be worth the extra $$$ for me.

[2+2]

roger-SAI, on 04 May 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

All very interesting comments. We do have a product plan but if everyone who owns or did own a Shelby GT remembers, the core of the car was handling. We all know about the issues. I belive they were lessons learned. Here is what I read and hear: If you do it,

• Has to handle
  
• Is pre-post title a real issue (all cars coming through Las Vegas are modified in Las Vegas) CSM/Badging etc. to some it does. Pre-title would be nice though.
  
• No fake hood scoops
  
• Better quality stripes or stripe delete avalibility
  
• Shifter
  
• Exhaust
  
• Distinctive looks

Add to the list. There could be a case made for a GTS (V-6) GT (V8). Just listening to what our potential market would like to see if it came to life.

  07'and 08' Shelby GT  = 66' GT350

  13'/14' Shelby GT  =   69' GT350 fake scoops and all.  Give it the same wild scoop treatment that made Carroll mad back then. Even go for the same stripes. Go full circle.

I always wanted a 65/66 Shelby so I got the 08'SGT.  Maybe the 69'/70' fans will want a new version of the SGT.( I like them too)

We are coming to an end of Muscle car era #2. Make history repeat itself.

And I need an automatic for this tired old left leg.( I get my four speed fix in my 65')

The Shelby of the future for the youngsters will soon happen with the entry of the new body style in 2015. The vintage rage will pass soon, so lets go out in style. Forget trying to get the twenty somethings to buy this body style. Save that for the 15'. Make the old timers happy.

[Doug_GT350]

ccsl7578, on 06 May 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

I guess if I didn't already own a 07 SGT, I would be in the market for a new SGT with the 5.0 engine, suspension and exhaust mods. But, I'm a die-hard Shelby fan, for those who are not... the new Boss 302 would be my choice!  Also, I would not sell my 07 to upgrade to a new SGT!  Just saying....

IASHELBYGT, on 07 May 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

That's where I'm at as well. The quality, features and price would have to be in the new Boss 302 range or I would just get a Boss.  I wouldn't drop $40K for a new Mustang GT and then another $15K (or more) for a new SGT package.  It just wouldn't be worth the extra $$$ for me.

Well said, put me in that book. I realize that I'm in a different situation, in that I mean I can't afford a new car, period! But if I could I would go with the Boss.

[RogerS]

Thank you, everyone for your responses. Feedback on product or thought process is extremely valuable. Sweet spot seems to be $45K in price point. Handling on par along with HP to current product offerings. Simple build without long lead times is a clear message.

Not a car to built in large quantities. Target would be 150 or less for a two year or less run. HP 450 minimun on NA motor.

[AstroDan]

I like the idea of a $45k, 150 limited (Truely) run 450 NA bhp "2013/14 Shelby GT with 302ci....
I'd buy

[JeffJ]

"Shelby 5.0"

[EL SHELBY]

roger-SAI, on 07 May 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Thank you, everyone for your responses. Feedback on product or thought process is extremely valuable. Sweet spot seems to be $45K in price point. Handling on par along with HP to current product offerings. Simple build without long lead times is a clear message.

Not a car to built in large quantities. Target would be 150 or less for a two year or less run. HP 450 minimun on NA motor.

Bingo. I would be seriously interested, even though I may loose a marriage over it. Just give me 18 months to pay off the SGT.

[Frank S]

I realize there is some concern over identity dilution, and that there might have been a couple of missteps in the Terlingua program, but it seems to me much of this discussion points at a similar approach: Two-level (standard/performance) option list, certified local builders, pick your own color/transmission base car, earnest money up front, big dose of patience. And what do you get for your investment?

Shelby Terlingua 5.0.

Judging by the original Shelby Terlingua's history, one of the most desirable of Shelby's offerings.

[Jer]

Shelby doesn't owe me "collector value" on my car. I bought it, I drive it, I enjoy it, it's awesome.
The reason the 60's Shelbys are valuable are because SHELBY AMERICAN EFFECTIVELY DIED in the 70's.

Make a badass ride around $45K that people can buy, that will handle well and look cool, and let more people join the family. SA has every right NOT to repeat the company's 1970s COLLAPSE!

The Shelby GTS has no "ring" to it. The Shelby GT name is valuable. Go forth and build cool cars!
A quantity of 150 ain't gonna "dilute" NUTHIN'.


Jer




I edited my own post for language and poor attitude.

Edited by Jer, 08 May 2012 - 09:27 AM.

[AndyGJ]

EL SHELBY, on 07 May 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Bingo. I would be seriously interested, even though I may loose a marriage over it. Just give me 18 months to pay off the SGT.

....THEN 12 months to pay off the attorney for the divorce!!  

Seriously, I love my SGT and the fact that it is a Shelby.  Right now, my second choice would be the 2013 Boss 302 in Race Red...but I could be persuaded!!

[SGT0225]

AndyGJ, on 07 May 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

....THEN 12 months to pay off the attorney for the divorce!!  

Seriously, I love my SGT and the fact that it is a Shelby.  Right now, my second choice would be the 2013 Boss 302 in Race Red...but I could be persuaded!!

If I could have made a Boss 302 into a Shelby I would have.

A Shelby with a Boss 302 motor  

[2+2]

Jer, on 07 May 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

SA has every right NOT to repeat the company's 1970s COLLAPSE!

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Jer

That is so correct BUT.

Thankfully the  05' retro Mustang  is what brought the Shelby Mustang and Shelby Auto back in the spotlight and made us want to get one.. The Ford/Shelby bold moves ramped up production even more than expected. The similarities to 65' to 73' are many.

There will not be a 70's Shelby collapse. But there will be a reinvention when the non retro 2015 Euro Mustang comes out.
  I think  Shelby  performace parts will have a bright future.  

Good Luck Shelby marketing, it will be exciting times. You will be fine.

For now, I say cash in on this body style while you can. It could be the best one of the retro era. We are living the good old days right now.

[mach 1 1970]

roger-SAI, on 07 May 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Thank you, everyone for your responses. Feedback on product or thought process is extremely valuable. Sweet spot seems to be $45K in price point. Handling on par along with HP to current product offerings. Simple build without long lead times is a clear message.

Not a car to built in large quantities. Target would be 150 or less for a two year or less run. HP 450 minimun on NA motor.

I can buy a 2012 GT500 on X plan new for $44 TO $48, SVTOA members get this.

Edited by mach 1 1970, 08 May 2012 - 06:03 AM.

[mach 1 1970]

Jer, on 07 May 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Shelby doesn't owe me "collector value" on my car. I bought it, I drive it, I enjoy it, it's awesome.
The reason the 60's Shelbys are valuable are because SHELBY AMERICAN EFFECTIVELY DIED in the 70's.

Screw the collectors (BTW, if you're "collecting" a 2007 or 2008 car, you don't get it )- Make a badass ride around $45K that people can buy, that will handle well and look cool, and let more people join the family. SA has every right NOT to repeat the company's 1970s COLLAPSE!

The Shelby GTS has no "ring" to it. The Shelby GT name is valuable. Go forth and build cool cars!
A quantity of 150 ain't gonna "dilute" NUTHIN'.


Jer

Let's see why would anybody collect a 500 unit "first Shelby Mustang" produced  by Shelby  for the Hertz corp.since 1966  and First one since  1969 ? Certainly not for all out performance with an auto trans. That's what the Boss is for. What's wrong with taking care of a car you love and passing it on to another generation ? With out the "COLLECTOR " or car buff old Shelby's would have been destroyed a long time ago.You have customized your Shelby to your style . You are right your car will not be a collectable.But so what ,you have enjoyed it in your way, That's cool !

Edited by mach 1 1970, 08 May 2012 - 06:53 AM.

[Jer]

mach 1 1970, on 08 May 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

Let's see why would anybody collect a 500 unit "first Shelby Mustang" produced  by Shelby  for the Hertz corp.since 1966  and First one since  1969 ?
Certainly not for all out performance with an auto trans. That's what the Boss is for. What's wrong with taking care of a car you love and passing it on to another generation ? With out the "COLLECTOR " or car buff old Shelby's would have been destroyed a long time ago.You have customized your Shelby to your style . You are right your car will not be a collectable.But so what ,you have enjoyed it in your way, That's cool !

I didn't say anything about the Hertz cars.
As for my "customizing", I have all the original parts and have done no permanent mods. Just to clear that up.
My gripe isn't with people collecting them. It's with folks that don't want Shelby to make any more, so theirs will be worth more. That's not fair or reasonable.


Jer

[Dig-It]

Don’t build another Shelby GT, not yet. And if SA should decide to build one, I would recommend waiting until at least the next Mustang chassis is introduced. What’s the target audience? Where’s the market for another Shelby GT? I’d hate to see Shelby GTs languishing on dealer lots again. A few KRs still are! I would focus my attention on “improving the breed”.

SA has a pretty good spread of Shelby Mustang offerings right now. If $45k is the price point we’re looking at right now, I’d say go after making the Shelby GTS more desirable.

Car / Mustang enthusiasts usually fall into or transition through four broad purposes for their car(s):
1. Daily driver / transportation
2. Weekend enjoyment / car shows / boulevard cruising
3. Drag racing
4. Road racing / autocross

I’ve seen folks use their 2007-2008 SGTs for all of these purposes, even though the emphasis was always about what great handling abilities the car possessed. Currently, the Shelby GTS fits the bill in almost the exact same way, except it can be more customized from “the factory” than the SGT ever could. The only real downside as I see it is that the GTS is a post title Shelby. That’s a big deal to some, while it’s not to others.

Why not make the GTS better by making it a more tailorable purpose built car? Add the Boss 302 Hi-po V8, a “track pack” package and more exhaust system options to the list.

Finally, market it. I thought it was great to read all of the Shelby GTS first drives and road tests when the car first came out. I don’t think I’ve seen anything about it since though. How about some coverage of some shoot-outs or competitions?

Just some food for thought.

Edited by Dig-It, 08 May 2012 - 08:11 AM.