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[Snoopy49]

roger-SAI, on 01 July 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Grille mesh to protect the upper radiator and lower heat exchanger. Have you seen the pre production cars?

Roger

If you decide to go with the grille mesh, will you make it available to non-SS GT500 owners?
I would like the additional protection.

Do you know why the factory went with the open grille?

[91z28350]

1. create different levels or packages? People can swing a 15K supercharger/suspension/hood upgrade, much easier than a $35K cf everything, interior and brake upgrade on top of the engine/hood/suspension. (or at least this person can )

2. 20 x 11 rear wheels.

[hodger]

Snoopy49, on 03 July 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

If you decide to go with the grille mesh, will you make it available to non-SS GT500 owners?
I would like the additional protection.

Do you know why the factory went with the open grille?

I was at Friendly ford in Las Vegas last week they had a black 2013 GT500 in they told me is was to get as much cold air into the engine as possible
I think there could be issues with bugs and stones damaging the radiator

[RogerS]

91z28350, on 03 July 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

1. create different levels or packages? People can swing a 15K supercharger/suspension/hood upgrade, much easier than a $35K cf everything, interior and brake upgrade on top of the engine/hood/suspension. (or at least this person can )

2. 20 x 11 rear wheels.

The 2 level upgrade is certainly a major topic of discussion for 2013.

Roger

[Whammer]

How can you have 2 levels of Super Snake? It either is or it isn't.
I think people can already choose to gradually upgrade as it is but it's not badged as a Super Snake until all upgrades are done.

[supersnake94]

may I also throw in the suggestion of porting the TVS for those who want a 700hp Snake, but want to keep the costs low and also revive the TVS Supersnake?

[RogerS]

Don't think you will need to port the TVS to get there. We are currently in development with the 5.8

Roger

[raccol]

Make level one the Snake option and level two the Super Snake option. That way there is distinction between them.

[rocky]

I like the idea of two or three levels of the SS package and you could badge them according to the package, this way some people wont get upset if they have the full upgrade.

[91z28350]

Agreed!

1 package of appearance, 1 for handling, 1 for horsepower, all 3 = Super Snake. Each package could warrant inclusion in the registry. Gives people who don't have the cash up front a chance to build as you go. More sales for SA, keeps the exclusivity of the SS. You don't get the SS moniker until all 3 packages are installed. Those with the ability to buy the regular SS package up front don't have their product de-valued by having regular horsepower Shelby's running around with SA sanctioned  SS badging.

[Mr. Haney]

Since the 2013 GT500 comes with a carbon fiber driveshaft, use the money saved on not upgrading to the aluminum driveshaft of the earlier models to upgrade the suspension further. CS heavy duty upper control arm and bracket, rear lower control arms for the rear axle. CS front lower A arms for the front suspenssion. Anti-wheel hop rear lower control arm brackets. This would give you a better handling car without upgrading to the full track package without sacrificing the ride quaility too much. A stripe delete option to make a sleeper Super Snake with a credit for deleting the stripes to be used for the purchase of other options available to a Super Snake, such as the rear brake upgrade. Add the CS handling pack as an option also to the list of available options to a Super Snake this would go nicely with the suspension upgrades that were coverd by the driveshaft

My next question will be what is going to happen with a car equiped with the Bilstein shocks. Are you going to keep these as part of the STV Performance Package with the Super Snake suspension upgrades that are standard now? If you order a car with the SVTPP and SVT Track Package will there be a difference in the cost to upgrade to a Super Snake when compared to a car without these options? If you upgrade the springs only with the stock Bilstein shocks, will there be a credit for not upgrading to the Ford Racing shocks?

Edited by Mr. Haney, 09 July 2012 - 10:31 AM.

[AH64DFlyboy]

What about an IRS?

[jnf]

Twist style locks for the hood pins similar to the KR style.
Like the idea of 3 package levels.
+ all of the above.

[RogerS]

91z28350, on 05 July 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Agreed!

1 package of appearance, 1 for handling, 1 for horsepower, all 3 = Super Snake. Each package could warrant inclusion in the registry. Gives people who don't have the cash up front a chance to build as you go. More sales for SA, keeps the exclusivity of the SS. You don't get the SS moniker until all 3 packages are installed. Those with the ability to buy the regular SS package up front don't have their product de-valued by having regular horsepower Shelby's running around with SA sanctioned  SS badging.

Interesting take. We do have our weekly product planning meeting tomorrow. Will bring this up. Thanks for the feedback.

Roger

[RogerS]

Mr. Haney, on 09 July 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Since the 2013 GT500 comes with a carbon fiber driveshaft, use the money saved on not upgrading to the aluminum driveshaft of the earlier models to upgrade the suspension further. CS heavy duty upper control arm and bracket, rear lower control arms for the rear axle. CS front lower A arms for the front suspenssion. Anti-wheel hop rear lower control arm brackets. This would give you a better handling car without upgrading to the full track package without sacrificing the ride quaility too much. A stripe delete option to make a sleeper Super Snake with a credit for deleting the stripes to be used for the purchase of other options available to a Super Snake, such as the rear brake upgrade. Add the CS handling pack as an option also to the list of available options to a Super Snake this would go nicely with the suspension upgrades that were coverd by the driveshaft

My next question will be what is going to happen with a car equiped with the Bilstein shocks. Are you going to keep these as part of the STV Performance Package with the Super Snake suspension upgrades that are standard now? If you order a car with the SVTPP and SVT Track Package will there be a difference in the cost to upgrade to a Super Snake when compared to a car without these options? If you upgrade the springs only with the stock Bilstein shocks, will there be a credit for not upgrading to the Ford Racing shocks?

Looking at several opportunities for upgrades and trade off's to the standard equipment. The stripe delete would conflict with the S-1000. That would be a hard sell. Do see the point though.

On non-SVT pack cars the Shelby Handling pack is certainly a possibility and could be standard package content with a "level" system as mentioned above.

We are working on 2 heavily loaded proto-types now. Suspension on the SVTPP and SVT Track Package content is being evaluated for upgrading. Nothing is off the table. When we look at pricing all content is evaluated. We do know there will be a cost changes and try to consider all content costs when evaluating pricing. We have also incured raw material cost increases across the board over the last 2 years since the last pricing restructure. Quite a bit of research and information gathering prior to any pricing structure.

Thanks everyone for the great feedback. It is helpful.

Roger

[91z28350]

roger-SAI, on 11 July 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

Interesting take. We do have our weekly product planning meeting tomorrow. Will bring this up. Thanks for the feedback.

Roger

My pleasure. If you do anything along these lines, please include the 11-12's.

[Mr. Haney]

roger-SAI, on 11 July 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Looking at several opportunities for upgrades and trade off's to the standard equipment. The stripe delete would conflict with the S-1000. That would be a hard sell. Do see the point though.

On non-SVT pack cars the Shelby Handling pack is certainly a possibility and could be standard package content with a "level" system as mentioned above.

We are working on 2 heavily loaded proto-types now. Suspension on the SVTPP and SVT Track Package content is being evaluated for upgrading. Nothing is off the table. When we look at pricing all content is evaluated. We do know there will be a cost changes and try to consider all content costs when evaluating pricing. We have also incured raw material cost increases across the board over the last 2 years since the last pricing restructure. Quite a bit of research and information gathering prior to any pricing structure.

Thanks everyone for the great feedback. It is helpful.

Roger

Roger

I'm seriously considering purchasing one of these cars, regardless of whether you do a stripe delete option or not. Whether I purchase the base GT500 from SA or through a Ford dealer for the Super Snake conversion it will not have stripes. I will not want SA to the add stripes as part of the Super Snake conversion. The only badging I want is the fender and grill emblems on the exterior of the car. It won't be mistaken as a S-1000 because the hood profile and wheels are different, along with the S-1000 badging. I doubt anybody is going to remove the S-1000 badging from their cars to create confusion at a later time, also the dash plaque with the SA VIN will tell everybody what it is.



My thoughts are all suspension and chassis upgrades that can be bought as individual speed parts from the Shelby Perfomance Parts Catolog need to be added to the option list of the Super Snake. You already have the suspension apart for the Super Snake package. Make it easier for the customer to upgrade at this time with parts you already produce if they want the ultimate in handling without having to modify the car afterwards with SA Performance Parts. This would also limit them from outsourcing to another supplier for the same basic suspension and chassis upgrades at a later time. Then the car will be shown in the Registry as having these parts installed as optional equipment at the time of purchase. It would increase the value of the car at a resale at a later date, plus make doing the upgrades cheaper because of the labor savings of doing the suspension modifications when you convert it to a Super Snake, versus adding these modifications at a later time to the car after the purchase of the SS package. If you're worried about ride harshness and customer complaints afterwards, have the customer sign a waiver to build the car with these options beforehand. If you decided to do this also add an optional wheel and tire package to accomadate the Track Package upgrade with its capabilities to use larger tires

By doing these things you can increase the sales of the Performace Parts, while also increasing work for your shop to install them as options to the SS. You would also make cars more individual to each customers tastes while at the same time creating cars that could have the possibilities of having lower production numbers in a group of SS's depending on the options installed. This would be a win/win for everybody

Edited by Mr. Haney, 12 July 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[Mr. Haney]

With the 2013 having painted door sills, drop the caebon fiber, but uses the cash from deleting these to make a carbon fiber rear defuser instead of the OEM black plastic defuser. Since you'll still have to produce this item for the 2011-2012 models, make it an option for the 2013

[2010KonaBlueGT]

Mr. Haney, on 12 July 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

Whether I purchase the base GT500 from SA or through a Ford dealer..........

When did Shelby start selling cars???


Phill

[RogerS]

Phil.........be nice