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#1 OFFLINE   Imatk

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:02 AM

I've read that some members here with the FRPP CAI did not change their tune when they swapped to the TVS.

Is this just the case with the KR owners or is the FRPP tune with the CAI the same no matter what car it's on?

Also what pulley size does a stock TVS come with?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 03:40 PM

I had the FRPP CAI on my 08 prior to buying the FRPP TVS. I called the Ford Racing tech line and was instructed that I needed to roll back to the stock tune prior to installing the TVS and new FRPP TVS Tune......

Don't know if there are differences in the two tunes but I wouldn't want to risk it....but that is just me. I'd call the Ford Tech line and ask them....
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:19 PM

I have the same set up as Rarecat and performed the same tune installs when I installed my TVS on my 08. The car runs great.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:40 PM

I've read that some members here with the FRPP CAI did not change their tune when they swapped to the TVS.

Is this just the case with the KR owners or is the FRPP tune with the CAI the same no matter what car it's on?

Also what pulley size does a stock TVS come with?


FRPP TVS has its own tune. Different than just the CAI tune.

07-09 FRPP TVS has 3.0 pulley. 2010 has 2.8.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

FRPP TVS has its own tune. Different than just the CAI tune.

07-09 FRPP TVS has 3.0 pulley. 2010 has 2.8.


Cool, can the 3.0 pulley on the stock supercharger be used on the TVS because the one I'm buying has a 2.6 pulley on it.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:07 PM

Since they're both made by Eaton I'd assume they have the same snout and the pullies would be interchangeable, but I'm not 100% sure. Just curious, why are you taking off the 2.6?
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 09:33 PM

Ford Racing told me I could use my stock KR tune with FRPP TVS with stock pulley. There is a good thread on this somewhere in the KR sub forum.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:06 AM

Since they're both made by Eaton I'd assume they have the same snout and the pullies would be interchangeable, but I'm not 100% sure. Just curious, why are you taking off the 2.6?


Because if I can use the FRPP CAI tune with the 3 then I don't have to spend the extra cash... and I don't really need the extra boost.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:14 AM

... and I don't really need the extra boost.


Then why would you put on the bigger blower???????????


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:16 AM

Ford Racing told me I could use my stock KR tune with FRPP TVS with stock pulley. There is a good thread on this somewhere in the KR sub forum.



Ternami/Steve did it on his KR. It's probably his thread you reference.

There is a '11 GT500 running a 2.3L TVS with a STOCK (Factory) tune in Denver, turning 11sec ET's at Bandimere. No other mods....



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Posted 06 July 2012 - 01:16 PM

Then why would you put on the bigger blower???????????


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Why do you think?

The TVS comes with a 3" pulley stock and makes plenty of power for me... HENCE I don't need the extra boost.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:29 PM

Ternami/Steve did it on his KR. It's probably his thread you reference.

There is a '11 GT500 running a 2.3L TVS with a STOCK (Factory) tune in Denver, turning 11sec ET's at Bandimere. No other mods....



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Phill, do you have any info on that car? Links or anything? This is something I've been wondering about after finding out that you can pulley an 11/12 without a tune. But I can't find much, and nothing about that car.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:08 AM

Phill, do you have any info on that car? Links or anything? This is something I've been wondering about after finding out that you can pulley an 11/12 without a tune. But I can't find much, and nothing about that car.


Jeff S. (Team Shelby-Mountain Region Director) might know more about it, including the owner. He's who was telling me about it at the Ford Fun Weekend/FFW in Denver. I saw the car but it was across the strip from me so I couldn't get to the owner to talk to him.

All I know is what Jeff told me. Stock GT500 with a TVS bolted on, using a STOCK tune. I can't even tell you if it was a Ford Racing TVS, a Roush TVS, a VMP TVS or a FoMoCo (2013) TVS.

I *assumed* it was a FRPP TVS.

You can find Jeff on this forum. Try looking under the regional sections and find Mountain Region.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:11 AM

Why do you think?
The TVS comes with a 3" pulley stock and makes plenty of power for me... HENCE I don't need the extra boost.


I don't KNOW. Why do you think I asked?

One more time...If you don't need the EXTRA BOOST, why are you putting a bigger blower on it? It makes NO sense to put a bigger blower on then pulley it down to reduce the boost. Just put a smaller pulley on your STOCK SC and get the same result.

THAT'S why I asked.


Hey, it's YOUR money,

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:14 AM

Phill, do you have any info on that car? Links or anything? This is something I've been wondering about after finding out that you can pulley an 11/12 without a tune. But I can't find much, and nothing about that car.


It's a White car w/Blue stripes. Pretty sure it's a '11, runs out of Denver/Bandimere. Well, it did that day. I wonder if the FFW site would have results from the drags?

Or maybe Bandimere Raceway.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:09 AM

I don't KNOW. Why do you think I asked?

One more time...If you don't need the EXTRA BOOST, why are you putting a bigger blower on it? It makes NO sense to put a bigger blower on then pulley it down to reduce the boost. Just put a smaller pulley on your STOCK SC and get the same result.

THAT'S why I asked.


Hey, it's YOUR money,

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Do I really need to answer this? Maybe you should Google it for yourself?

Ok I'll answer it this time, but next time Phil you'll have to do your own work and show the teacher after...

Because spinning the stock blower with a smaller pulley would increase IAT temps and I don't want to do that.

Because even at the same boost level the TVS produces the boost more efficiently than the stock eaton (and as mentioned above does it with lower IAT temps)

And yes it's my money, you got that one right... but I'm only gonna give you partial credit.

Is there anything else you'd like to know? Perhaps why I choose to wear a certain underwear or maybe why I purchase a specific underarm deodorant?

You sure are a curious little guy Phil.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:39 PM

I thought Phill asked a reasonable question. I also think your response is rude and condescending.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:35 PM

I thought Phill asked a reasonable question. I also think your response is rude and condescending.
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That's odd. I think he's just being a asshole.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:58 PM

I thought Phill asked a reasonable question. I also think your response is rude and condescending.

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He asked a reasonable question, to you, in a thread that was completely irrelevant to my original post.

And, sorry but don't ask a question unless you really want the answer... and it wasn't meant to be condescending... it was meant to be funny. But sorry if I hurt someone's feelings.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:59 PM

That's odd. I think he's just being a asshole.


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:47 AM

Hey all.

I put on a Ford Racing TVS with 2.59" pully and larger TB. I have a Lund tune presently. However, I was also wanting the Ford tune for this supercharger because I'm hoping I will get better gas mileage for normal driving (zero boost).

I'm getting only 18 highway in 6th gear...stock I got 23 so it went way down.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:06 AM

You should contact Lund. You can probably pull some timing out of the tune and achieve what you want, but I would contact him for the best answer to your question.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

Thanks. I contacted him, he said the tune looks good. However, he also said my MPG estimate on my car could be way off. So, I just filled up my tank and I'll check my mileage manually. hope it's off...or else I won't know what to think.
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chrome door bezel, locks, handles, headlight knob, map lights, seat adjustment levers.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:40 AM

At what mph are you taking ur highway mpgs? That's super low.. I got a 2.6 pulley and tune from JDM and I easily get 25mpg highway at 65mph

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

Damn I'm jealous! My MPG sucks ass. I checked manually...13.7 average MPG, that includes partial highway and city. Last I checked highway, it was about 70-75 mph, 6th gear. I was struggling to maintain 18 mpg. That's down from 23 before.

Wait a second, do you have a TVS, or just a new pulley and tune on your stock supercharger? I have a TVS, which Jon Lund said could have more parasitic loss.
2011 GT500 Shelby Mustang + SVTPP + NAV Delivered on: July 6th, 2011
Sterling Grey Metallic + Wide Black Matte Stripes
Mods (performance):Ford TVS + 2.59", CJ TB, C&R Heat Exchanger, 170 deg thermostat, Roush Tank, Resonator Eliminator, Airaid Blue Filter
20" Asanti 3-Piece forged rims with Michelin Pilot Super Sport Tires (255 F, 295 R)
Mods (dress up):Carroll Shelby Signature Plate, 20% Tint, Turn signal & Quarter marker light tint,
chrome door bezel, locks, handles, headlight knob, map lights, seat adjustment levers.

Stereo: JL C5-570x front doors, JL C2-570x rear, Jl Cleansweep + DX400 Amp, Memphis 1000D Amp + 12" Diamond Sub




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