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#91 OFFLINE   Dig-It

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

Oh please, like that's the stock hood on your Shelby. Give me a break. Dude, Stock is Stock. Pains me to see what people in here see as pure Shelby GT/SC. Your anaolgy is, well flawed. At what point does it become a mod car and not stock?

Please note my question to Roger above. I think it's all after the fact.


Wow. You totally missed the point of what I wrote. Of course the logic seems flawed to you – you misunderstood what was written. Here, let me explain so that maybe you’ll be able to grasp the concept:

First, I agree with you. Just like Roger just posted and from everything I’ve read, heard and seen over the last five years, all Shelby GT/SCs have been modified, or ”Factory Supercharged” if you will, at an authorized Shelby mod shop regardless of the path taken (directly from the SGT production line or returned by the customer). I know some will disagree with this and try to attach a level of pedigree, but the fact remains that each authentic SGT/SC spent time in a mod shop.

I had the authorized Shelby mod shop further modify my car by painting and installing an aftermarket hood. I did it for appearance and practical reasons according to my personal taste – the reason we modify our cars. However, I don’t try to pass my car off as a 1967 Shelby Mustang even though that’s the style of hood I chose to have installed (leads to my next point).

The point I made in my earlier post (through my analogy) is the difference between a “Factory Supercharged” SGT/SC and an independently modified SGT with a supercharger that is presented as an authentic SGT/SC. I admit that the aftermarket sideskirt decals bother me a bit, but not that much. In the end, we all share enthusiasm for the same car and brands. And to that same end, we all know the truth. So I guess I would say that it’s the intended deception by a few that bothers me the most.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:01 PM

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:10 PM

dam did this thread take wrong turn or what

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:51 PM

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Being that all Shelby GT's were pre-title packages there were NO Shelby GT/SC's produced and sent to dealers for resale. All SC additions were after the owner took delivery of the vehicle or were able to show ownership of the vehicle. There was NO Shelby GT/SC package offered through Shelby American. Now there was the option of adding a supercharger and additional options right at Shelby after the owner did show ownership/registration of the vehicle. That and other options were offered if you asked the right questions. This was prior to an Mod Shop agreements being signed.

The SGT/SC package was not officially offered as a formal package prior to 2009. All additional modifications were done by owners, Speed Shops or dealerships with performance divisions who offered the products.

There were several customers who "knew of' the Shelby option and had significant performance options installed prior to delivery of their "new/used" vehicles. I say new/used at there were no miles on the car except test miles from Shelby American after conversion prior to being placed in a holding yard for Ford Motor Company transportation to the selling/ordering dealer. If you choose to have your vehicle modified with a supercharger, bigger brakes, deep draw hood, gauge package, wheels and tires Shelby American would arrange shipment for an additional fee to the destination of your choice. Some had them delivered to their home others to dealerships close by their homes. But no additional work would be performed without documentation of ownership. This was due to Shelby American's manufacturing license conditions.

The decal idea was arrived at through the Shelby American "speed shop" at the request of owners choosing to supercharger their vehicles prior to delivery. The mod shops were also allowed to build these cars and would also have the decal shipped from Shelby American per the mod shop agreement.

The "formal" SC package offering took place shortly after my arrival in Sales. Being a Shelby GT/SC owner and frequenting the forms there were many owners who expressed an interest in a package that would offer some choice on SC selection with minimal option and retention of the original wheel/tire package. Based on the feedback we offered a Ford Racing Whipple, Kenne-Bell and for a very short time the Paxton SC's packaged with a brake rotor, pad and stainless brake line kit and a dash mounted gauge pod.

Finding the Paxton did not have an EO sticker making it emissions compliant, the Paxton was not offered through Shelby American, again due to the manufacturing requirements. At the time there was no Shelby American Motorsports division at Shelby and all modifications were completed under the Shelby American banner. There is a Paxton option currently available but only through Shelby American Motorsports and only with a signed disclaimer of the owner acknowledging non-emissions compliance and a required tune modification along with a fuel pump upgrade to maximize performance and reliability.



Hope this helps answer the questions and provides a little history on the development of the SC package.

Roger


Very good read. Thanks for the history note.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

Wow. You totally missed the point of what I wrote. Of course the logic seems flawed to you – you misunderstood what was written. Here, let me explain so that maybe you’ll be able to grasp the concept:

First, I agree with you. Just like Roger just posted and from everything I’ve read, heard and seen over the last five years, all Shelby GT/SCs have been modified, or ”Factory Supercharged” if you will, at an authorized Shelby mod shop regardless of the path taken (directly from the SGT production line or returned by the customer). I know some will disagree with this and try to attach a level of pedigree, but the fact remains that each authentic SGT/SC spent time in a mod shop.

I had the authorized Shelby mod shop further modify my car by painting and installing an aftermarket hood. I did it for appearance and practical reasons according to my personal taste – the reason we modify our cars. However, I don’t try to pass my car off as a 1967 Shelby Mustang even though that’s the style of hood I chose to have installed (leads to my next point).

The point I made in my earlier post (through my analogy) is the difference between a “Factory Supercharged” SGT/SC and an independently modified SGT with a supercharger that is presented as an authentic SGT/SC. I admit that the aftermarket sideskirt decals bother me a bit, but not that much. In the end, we all share enthusiasm for the same car and brands. And to that same end, we all know the truth. So I guess I would say that it’s the intended deception by a few that bothers me the most.


Your SGT, like mine was titled when it left SAI without an SC. You and I have variants of the Stock SGT. No difference other than the Mod shop. Value of the Mod will be determined by the future owner. That's the facts. If you deem yours to be more disreable than mine, so be it. I'll drive mine until one of us dies.

I'll agree with you fakes are fakes. But that's not the question we are discussing. No 2007/2008 SGT's came out of SAI factory titled as SGT/SC. Agree?

Edited by ShelbyDW, 14 October 2012 - 05:08 PM.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:44 PM

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Being that all Shelby GT's were pre-title packages there were NO Shelby GT/SC's produced and sent to dealers for resale. All SC additions were after the owner took delivery of the vehicle or were able to show ownership of the vehicle. There was NO Shelby GT/SC package offered through Shelby American. Now there was the option of adding a supercharger and additional options right at Shelby after the owner did show ownership/registration of the vehicle. That and other options were offered if you asked the right questions. This was prior to an Mod Shop agreements being signed.

The SGT/SC package was not officially offered as a formal package prior to 2009. All additional modifications were done by owners, Speed Shops or dealerships with performance divisions who offered the products.

There were several customers who "knew of' the Shelby option and had significant performance options installed prior to delivery of their "new/used" vehicles. I say new/used at there were no miles on the car except test miles from Shelby American after conversion prior to being placed in a holding yard for Ford Motor Company transportation to the selling/ordering dealer. If you choose to have your vehicle modified with a supercharger, bigger brakes, deep draw hood, gauge package, wheels and tires Shelby American would arrange shipment for an additional fee to the destination of your choice. Some had them delivered to their home others to dealerships close by their homes. But no additional work would be performed without documentation of ownership. This was due to Shelby American's manufacturing license conditions.

The decal idea was arrived at through the Shelby American "speed shop" at the request of owners choosing to supercharger their vehicles prior to delivery. The mod shops were also allowed to build these cars and would also have the decal shipped from Shelby American per the mod shop agreement.

The "formal" SC package offering took place shortly after my arrival in Sales. Being a Shelby GT/SC owner and frequenting the forms there were many owners who expressed an interest in a package that would offer some choice on SC selection with minimal option and retention of the original wheel/tire package. Based on the feedback we offered a Ford Racing Whipple, Kenne-Bell and for a very short time the Paxton SC's packaged with a brake rotor, pad and stainless brake line kit and a dash mounted gauge pod.

Finding the Paxton did not have an EO sticker making it emissions compliant, the Paxton was not offered through Shelby American, again due to the manufacturing requirements. At the time there was no Shelby American Motorsports division at Shelby and all modifications were completed under the Shelby American banner. There is a Paxton option currently available but only through Shelby American Motorsports and only with a signed disclaimer of the owner acknowledging non-emissions compliance and a required tune modification along with a fuel pump upgrade to maximize performance and reliability.



Hope this helps answer the questions and provides a little history on the development of the SC package.

Roger


This is why I wish they never removed the "Ask Amy" section of the forums. There was a lot of history there. After she said there would be an official package, we all pushed for over a year before it actually ever came out. Now there is no historical reference.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:15 AM

Your SGT, like mine was titled when it left SAI without an SC. You and I have variants of the Stock SGT. No difference other than the Mod shop. Value of the Mod will be determined by the future owner. That's the facts. If you deem yours to be more disreable than mine, so be it.

You said it, not me.

I'll drive mine until one of us dies.

So you'll stop driving your car after I'm gone? I'm flattered. Posted Image

But that's not the question we are discussing.

But it is, here's the original post for you again:


What are your guys thoughts on installing the Shelby GT/SC decals on the car after I have had the whipple supercharger installed on the car? Does the Shelby world frown on that? Is it looked at like it is a fake since it was not done at Shelby America? I would like to have the forums options. If I did decide to do it who has the best decals to match the originals?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:46 AM

So you'll stop driving your car after I'm gone? I'm flattered. Posted Image

Us is me and my Shelby, not you. But I understand why you might think that.

But I'll think about you when I'm driving the SGT.

Later.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

I guess I'm in the opposite situation. I had my GT/SC replaced with Tasca Shelby GT/TR (Tasca Racing). I have a spare set of GT/SC to replace so I guess I'm an opposite offender. I agree with others, it's what's best for the owner and I agree that as long as you're honest then go for it.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:34 AM

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:53 PM

No 2007/2008 SGT's came out of SAI factory titled as SGT/SC. Agree?


I don't think any SGT's were titled as "SGT's" at all, let alone titled as "SGT/SC"? I've often wondered why our cars weren't titled as "SGT's", since SA is a manufacturer, rather than simply as "Mustang GT's."
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:15 AM

I don't think any SGT's were titled as "SGT's" at all, let alone titled as "SGT/SC"? I've often wondered why our cars weren't titled as "SGT's", since SA is a manufacturer, rather than simply as "Mustang GT's."

You are correct. Titled as Mustang GTs same as the GT-H. He may be speaking of the GT/SC certificate.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:35 AM

Roger; did I understand correctly that a 2007 SGT can be converted to a SGT/SC with the Paxton as long as the owner signs a waiver acknowledging that the vehicle is not emissions compliant? Is that only California emissions or do you know if the Paxton will meet requirements of other states? And as far as superchargers why not offer the Edelbrock E Force? With only 5 psi it offers greater longevity potential and a great balance with about 460 HP. And ole Shel and Vic Edelbrock were friends. What do we have to do to have the Edelbrock offered as an option for the SGT/SC and it is emission compliant.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:34 AM

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

and since the future seems to be in turbocharging why not offer a SGT/TC as SAI once proposed.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

Remember this?

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:40 AM

I added an E-Force from Brenspeed it is a stage 1, did my it myself, because I wanted to make the car my own. I bought my 08 Vista Blue convertible new from the dealer I considered trading it in for a newer model last year and decided to supercharge it instead so now I plan to keep it and show it at car shows. I added a side badge that say 4.6 supercharged and have no intention of changing the striping from Shelby GT. I also look forward to the 2015 models but it won't be my SGT that I will be trading in on a new one.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:52 PM

Hey I'm in SoCal and I get tuners all the time telling me they can put a blower on my 08 Go sgt for cheaper then Sai ...... I tell em how many championships they won ?? Or I say what's your shops name ? I haven't heard of them .... But everyone has heard of the 2 x athlete or driver owner of the year per Sports Illustrated Carroll Shelby ... It cost more but I want it done right K Beast

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

All I can say is this: My car very proudly wears the "Shelby GT/SC" stripes on its rockers, and it is a rare bird because of it. No one disputes that other shops can install a superchager, but MINE has rocker stripes, a certificate, and a "Factory Supercharged" plaque under the hood, as a car that was Factory Supercharged by Shelby. My car is trouble-free and has that piece of history added.

 

 

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:15 AM

Hey I'm in SoCal and I get tuners all the time telling me they can put a blower on my 08 Go sgt for cheaper then Sai ...... I tell em how many championships they won ?? Or I say what's your shops name ? I haven't heard of them .... But everyone has heard of the 2 x athlete or driver owner of the year per Sports Illustrated Carroll Shelby ... It cost more but I want it done right K Beast


The kit is designed so that pretty mush anyone with mechanical know how can install it. There are reasons to go with SAI for the install but getting it done "right" probably isn't one of those reasons since it's pretty hard to do it wrong.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:29 AM

All I can say is this: My car very proudly wears the "Shelby GT/SC" stripes on its rockers, and it is a rare bird because of it. No one disputes that other shops can install a superchager, but MINE has rocker stripes, a certificate, and a "Factory Supercharged" plaque under the hood, as a car that was Factory Supercharged by Shelby. My car is trouble-free and has that piece of history added.

 

 

Jer

Exactly:  These were my reasons for SAI installed SC.  No issues since it was installed in 2009 plus all the pedigree.  Displays "Shelby GT-H/SC". 


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Shelby gauges & gauge pod
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Painted over the top stripes
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