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[SWEDEMAN]

Jer, on 05 October 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

I'll see if Gary Patterson left his keys in it...
Jer

Oh...is that his? I want it !
Thanks Jer!

Edited by SWEDEMAN, 05 October 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[csm198]

I don't need no stinkin badges!

[ShelbyDW]

roger-SAI, on 01 October 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Not exactly correct. There were several cars that were bought and paid for prior to the cars being built at Shelby American that never left the yard for transport back to the dealer. When they were completed in production they were moved to the "mod shop" at Shelby for additional work. It only had 3-4 lifts at the time. Little known to many owners it was an inside "skunk works" operation that was converting some very unique cars. Paxton and Whipple SC's, big brakes, wheels and tires, deep draw hoods and quite a few other items thrown in. It was totally handled by Shelby American as was the transportation directly to the customers door.

By the way, if you take it to Tasca they will provide the Shelby GT/SC certificate to document the conversion and have it entered into the registry.

Roger

Roger,

Just to be clear, there have been no GT/SC produced and sold as such from SAI? All GT/SC's have been to a "Mod Shop" that is approved by SAI regardless of timing of the mod. Correct?

Edited by ShelbyDW, 07 October 2012 - 06:43 PM.

[Rev Dennis]

As long as it has a Shelby Factory Supercharged plate on it - that's good enough for me. That's the badge that matters. I understand people not wanting the GT/SC on the side stripe. A good way to surprise a lot of other cars at the stop light and on the track.

[Dig-It]

TNTchris, on 10 July 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

What are your guys thoughts on installing the Shelby GT/SC decals on the car after I have had the whipple supercharger installed on the car? Does the Shelby world frown on that? Is it looked at like it is a fake since it was not done at Shelby America? I would like to have the forums options. If I did decide to do it who has the best decals to match the originals?

Thanks
Chris

It's the same as buying a Mustang GT, throwing some Shelby parts and badges on the car,  and calling it a Shelby.

[ShelbyDW]

Dig-It, on 10 October 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

It's the same as buying a Mustang GT, throwing some Shelby parts and badges on the car,  and calling it a Shelby.

Oh please, like that's the stock hood on your Shelby. Give me a break. Dude, Stock is Stock. Pains me to see what people in here see as pure Shelby GT/SC. Your anaolgy is, well flawed. At what point does it become a mod car and not stock?

Please note my question to Roger above. I think it's all after the fact.

Edited by ShelbyDW, 10 October 2012 - 07:32 PM.

[RogerS]

ShelbyDW, on 07 October 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

Roger,


Just to be clear, there have been no GT/SC produced and sold as such from SAI? All GT/SC's have been to a "Mod Shop" that is approved by SAI regardless of timing of the mod. Correct?

Being that all Shelby GT's were pre-title packages there were NO Shelby GT/SC's produced and sent to dealers for resale. All SC additions were after the owner took delivery of the vehicle or were able to show ownership of the vehicle. There was NO Shelby GT/SC package offered through Shelby American. Now there was the option of adding a supercharger and additional options right at Shelby after the owner did show ownership/registration of the vehicle. That and other options were offered if you asked the right questions. This was prior to an Mod Shop agreements being signed.

The SGT/SC package was not officially offered as a formal package prior to 2009. All additional modifications were done by owners, Speed Shops or dealerships with performance divisions who offered the products.

There were several customers who "knew of' the Shelby option and had significant performance options installed prior to delivery of their "new/used" vehicles. I say new/used at there were no miles on the car except test miles from Shelby American after conversion prior to being placed in a holding yard for Ford Motor Company transportation to the selling/ordering dealer. If you choose to have your vehicle modified with a supercharger, bigger brakes, deep draw hood, gauge package, wheels and tires Shelby American would arrange shipment for an additional fee to the destination of your choice. Some had them delivered to their home others to dealerships close by their homes. But no additional work would be performed without documentation of ownership. This was due to Shelby American's manufacturing license conditions.

The decal idea was arrived at through the Shelby American "speed shop" at the request of owners choosing to supercharger their vehicles prior to delivery. The mod shops were also allowed to build these cars and would also have the decal shipped from Shelby American per the mod shop agreement.

The "formal" SC package offering took place shortly after my arrival in Sales. Being a Shelby GT/SC owner and frequenting the forms there were many owners who expressed an interest in a package that would offer some choice on SC selection with minimal option and retention of the original wheel/tire package. Based on the feedback we offered a Ford Racing Whipple, Kenne-Bell and for a very short time the Paxton SC's packaged with a brake rotor, pad and stainless brake line kit and a dash mounted gauge pod.

Finding the Paxton did not have an EO sticker making it emissions compliant, the Paxton was not offered through Shelby American, again due to the manufacturing requirements. At the time there was no Shelby American Motorsports division at Shelby and all modifications were completed under the Shelby American banner. There is a Paxton option currently available but only through Shelby American Motorsports and only with a signed disclaimer of the owner acknowledging non-emissions compliance and a required tune modification along with a fuel pump upgrade to maximize performance and reliability.



Hope this helps answer the questions and provides a little history on the development of the SC package.

Roger

[mywickedshelby]

jmn444, on 03 September 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm sure this will break the TOS or whatever, but swede you are possibly the biggest douche I've "spoken" with on the Internet to date.

Of course it doesn't sound like I'm tracking official gt/sc cars BECAUSE I DIDNT CLAIM THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING.  Read your own posts.

Leave the registry to the company that built the cars.  Who the hell is gonna rely on your "records" in 40 years anyway?  Do you think that your grand kid is going to take your authentic gt/sc to auction along with your excel spreadsheet and that's gonna add any value?  Maybe a printout of all the years bitching about how underpowered the car was and how they botched your dyno report when you finally did something about it and how you then couldn't sell it would boost the value?  

I'll just stick with driving the shit out of mine and getting my return on investment thru enjoying my commute to work every day.

love this post!

[jmn444]

Thanks, I aim to please lol

[mywickedshelby]

roger-SAI, on 11 October 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

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Being that all Shelby GT's were pre-title packages there were NO Shelby GT/SC's produced and sent to dealers for resale. All SC additions were after the owner took delivery of the vehicle or were able to show ownership of the vehicle. There was NO Shelby GT/SC package offered through Shelby American. Now there was the option of adding a supercharger and additional options right at Shelby after the owner did show ownership/registration of the vehicle. That and other options were offered if you asked the right questions. This was prior to an Mod Shop agreements being signed.

The SGT/SC package was not officially offered as a formal package prior to 2009. All additional modifications were done by owners, Speed Shops or dealerships with performance divisions who offered the products.

There were several customers who "knew of' the Shelby option and had significant performance options installed prior to delivery of their "new/used" vehicles. I say new/used at there were no miles on the car except test miles from Shelby American after conversion prior to being placed in a holding yard for Ford Motor Company transportation to the selling/ordering dealer. If you choose to have your vehicle modified with a supercharger, bigger brakes, deep draw hood, gauge package, wheels and tires Shelby American would arrange shipment for an additional fee to the destination of your choice. Some had them delivered to their home others to dealerships close by their homes. But no additional work would be performed without documentation of ownership. This was due to Shelby American's manufacturing license conditions.

The decal idea was arrived at through the Shelby American "speed shop" at the request of owners choosing to supercharger their vehicles prior to delivery. The mod shops were also allowed to build these cars and would also have the decal shipped from Shelby American per the mod shop agreement.

The "formal" SC package offering took place shortly after my arrival in Sales. Being a Shelby GT/SC owner and frequenting the forms there were many owners who expressed an interest in a package that would offer some choice on SC selection with minimal option and retention of the original wheel/tire package. Based on the feedback we offered a Ford Racing Whipple, Kenne-Bell and for a very short time the Paxton SC's packaged with a brake rotor, pad and stainless brake line kit and a dash mounted gauge pod.

Finding the Paxton did not have an EO sticker making it emissions compliant, the Paxton was not offered through Shelby American, again due to the manufacturing requirements. At the time there was no Shelby American Motorsports division at Shelby and all modifications were completed under the Shelby American banner. There is a Paxton option currently available but only through Shelby American Motorsports and only with a signed disclaimer of the owner acknowledging non-emissions compliance and a required tune modification along with a fuel pump upgrade to maximize performance and reliability.



Hope this helps answer the questions and provides a little history on the development of the SC package.

Roger

yup, thats how I remember it!

[Dig-It]

ShelbyDW, on 10 October 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Oh please, like that's the stock hood on your Shelby. Give me a break. Dude, Stock is Stock. Pains me to see what people in here see as pure Shelby GT/SC. Your anaolgy is, well flawed. At what point does it become a mod car and not stock?

Please note my question to Roger above. I think it's all after the fact.

Wow. You totally missed the point of what I wrote. Of course the logic seems flawed to you – you misunderstood what was written. Here, let me explain so that maybe you’ll be able to grasp the concept:

First, I agree with you. Just like Roger just posted and from everything I’ve read, heard and seen over the last five years, all Shelby GT/SCs have been modified, or ”Factory Supercharged” if you will, at an authorized Shelby mod shop regardless of the path taken (directly from the SGT production line or returned by the customer). I know some will disagree with this and try to attach a level of pedigree, but the fact remains that each authentic SGT/SC spent time in a mod shop.

I had the authorized Shelby mod shop further modify my car by painting and installing an aftermarket hood. I did it for appearance and practical reasons according to my personal taste – the reason we modify our cars. However, I don’t try to pass my car off as a 1967 Shelby Mustang even though that’s the style of hood I chose to have installed (leads to my next point).

The point I made in my earlier post (through my analogy) is the difference between a “Factory Supercharged” SGT/SC and an independently modified SGT with a supercharger that is presented as an authentic SGT/SC. I admit that the aftermarket sideskirt decals bother me a bit, but not that much. In the end, we all share enthusiasm for the same car and brands. And to that same end, we all know the truth. So I guess I would say that it’s the intended deception by a few that bothers me the most.

[SWEDEMAN]

I share my greatest gratitude to all who own Shelby Mustangs and I enjoy the brotherhood of all who come here and post their feelings whether bad, misguided or good. We all have had issues one time or another and let us not judge a man until we have walked a mile or more in his shoes.

[REDTAIL]

dam did this thread take wrong turn or what

JIM

[H0050]

roger-SAI, on 11 October 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

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Being that all Shelby GT's were pre-title packages there were NO Shelby GT/SC's produced and sent to dealers for resale. All SC additions were after the owner took delivery of the vehicle or were able to show ownership of the vehicle. There was NO Shelby GT/SC package offered through Shelby American. Now there was the option of adding a supercharger and additional options right at Shelby after the owner did show ownership/registration of the vehicle. That and other options were offered if you asked the right questions. This was prior to an Mod Shop agreements being signed.

The SGT/SC package was not officially offered as a formal package prior to 2009. All additional modifications were done by owners, Speed Shops or dealerships with performance divisions who offered the products.

There were several customers who "knew of' the Shelby option and had significant performance options installed prior to delivery of their "new/used" vehicles. I say new/used at there were no miles on the car except test miles from Shelby American after conversion prior to being placed in a holding yard for Ford Motor Company transportation to the selling/ordering dealer. If you choose to have your vehicle modified with a supercharger, bigger brakes, deep draw hood, gauge package, wheels and tires Shelby American would arrange shipment for an additional fee to the destination of your choice. Some had them delivered to their home others to dealerships close by their homes. But no additional work would be performed without documentation of ownership. This was due to Shelby American's manufacturing license conditions.

The decal idea was arrived at through the Shelby American "speed shop" at the request of owners choosing to supercharger their vehicles prior to delivery. The mod shops were also allowed to build these cars and would also have the decal shipped from Shelby American per the mod shop agreement.

The "formal" SC package offering took place shortly after my arrival in Sales. Being a Shelby GT/SC owner and frequenting the forms there were many owners who expressed an interest in a package that would offer some choice on SC selection with minimal option and retention of the original wheel/tire package. Based on the feedback we offered a Ford Racing Whipple, Kenne-Bell and for a very short time the Paxton SC's packaged with a brake rotor, pad and stainless brake line kit and a dash mounted gauge pod.

Finding the Paxton did not have an EO sticker making it emissions compliant, the Paxton was not offered through Shelby American, again due to the manufacturing requirements. At the time there was no Shelby American Motorsports division at Shelby and all modifications were completed under the Shelby American banner. There is a Paxton option currently available but only through Shelby American Motorsports and only with a signed disclaimer of the owner acknowledging non-emissions compliance and a required tune modification along with a fuel pump upgrade to maximize performance and reliability.



Hope this helps answer the questions and provides a little history on the development of the SC package.

Roger

Very good read.  Thanks for the history note.

[ShelbyDW]

Dig-It, on 11 October 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Wow. You totally missed the point of what I wrote. Of course the logic seems flawed to you – you misunderstood what was written. Here, let me explain so that maybe you’ll be able to grasp the concept:

First, I agree with you. Just like Roger just posted and from everything I’ve read, heard and seen over the last five years, all Shelby GT/SCs have been modified, or ”Factory Supercharged” if you will, at an authorized Shelby mod shop regardless of the path taken (directly from the SGT production line or returned by the customer). I know some will disagree with this and try to attach a level of pedigree, but the fact remains that each authentic SGT/SC spent time in a mod shop.

I had the authorized Shelby mod shop further modify my car by painting and installing an aftermarket hood. I did it for appearance and practical reasons according to my personal taste – the reason we modify our cars. However, I don’t try to pass my car off as a 1967 Shelby Mustang even though that’s the style of hood I chose to have installed (leads to my next point).

The point I made in my earlier post (through my analogy) is the difference between a “Factory Supercharged” SGT/SC and an independently modified SGT with a supercharger that is presented as an authentic SGT/SC. I admit that the aftermarket sideskirt decals bother me a bit, but not that much. In the end, we all share enthusiasm for the same car and brands. And to that same end, we all know the truth. So I guess I would say that it’s the intended deception by a few that bothers me the most.

Your SGT, like mine was titled when it left SAI without an SC. You and I have variants of the Stock SGT. No difference other than the Mod shop. Value of the Mod will be determined by the future owner. That's the facts. If you deem yours to be more disreable than mine, so be it. I'll drive mine until one of us dies.

I'll agree with you fakes are fakes. But that's not the question we are discussing. No 2007/2008 SGT's came out of SAI factory titled as SGT/SC. Agree?

Edited by ShelbyDW, 14 October 2012 - 05:08 PM.

[dh777]

roger-SAI, on 11 October 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

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Being that all Shelby GT's were pre-title packages there were NO Shelby GT/SC's produced and sent to dealers for resale. All SC additions were after the owner took delivery of the vehicle or were able to show ownership of the vehicle. There was NO Shelby GT/SC package offered through Shelby American. Now there was the option of adding a supercharger and additional options right at Shelby after the owner did show ownership/registration of the vehicle. That and other options were offered if you asked the right questions. This was prior to an Mod Shop agreements being signed.

The SGT/SC package was not officially offered as a formal package prior to 2009. All additional modifications were done by owners, Speed Shops or dealerships with performance divisions who offered the products.

There were several customers who "knew of' the Shelby option and had significant performance options installed prior to delivery of their "new/used" vehicles. I say new/used at there were no miles on the car except test miles from Shelby American after conversion prior to being placed in a holding yard for Ford Motor Company transportation to the selling/ordering dealer. If you choose to have your vehicle modified with a supercharger, bigger brakes, deep draw hood, gauge package, wheels and tires Shelby American would arrange shipment for an additional fee to the destination of your choice. Some had them delivered to their home others to dealerships close by their homes. But no additional work would be performed without documentation of ownership. This was due to Shelby American's manufacturing license conditions.

The decal idea was arrived at through the Shelby American "speed shop" at the request of owners choosing to supercharger their vehicles prior to delivery. The mod shops were also allowed to build these cars and would also have the decal shipped from Shelby American per the mod shop agreement.

The "formal" SC package offering took place shortly after my arrival in Sales. Being a Shelby GT/SC owner and frequenting the forms there were many owners who expressed an interest in a package that would offer some choice on SC selection with minimal option and retention of the original wheel/tire package. Based on the feedback we offered a Ford Racing Whipple, Kenne-Bell and for a very short time the Paxton SC's packaged with a brake rotor, pad and stainless brake line kit and a dash mounted gauge pod.

Finding the Paxton did not have an EO sticker making it emissions compliant, the Paxton was not offered through Shelby American, again due to the manufacturing requirements. At the time there was no Shelby American Motorsports division at Shelby and all modifications were completed under the Shelby American banner. There is a Paxton option currently available but only through Shelby American Motorsports and only with a signed disclaimer of the owner acknowledging non-emissions compliance and a required tune modification along with a fuel pump upgrade to maximize performance and reliability.



Hope this helps answer the questions and provides a little history on the development of the SC package.

Roger

This is why I wish they never removed the "Ask Amy" section of the forums. There was a lot of history there. After she said there would be an official package, we all pushed for over a year before it actually ever came out. Now there is no historical reference.

[Dig-It]

ShelbyDW, on 14 October 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Your SGT, like mine was titled when it left SAI without an SC. You and I have variants of the Stock SGT. No difference other than the Mod shop. Value of the Mod will be determined by the future owner. That's the facts. If you deem yours to be more disreable than mine, so be it.

You said it, not me.

ShelbyDW, on 14 October 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

I'll drive mine until one of us dies.

So you'll stop driving your car after I'm gone? I'm flattered.

ShelbyDW, on 14 October 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

But that's not the question we are discussing.

But it is, here's the original post for you again:

TNTchris, on 10 July 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

What are your guys thoughts on installing the Shelby GT/SC decals on the car after I have had the whipple supercharger installed on the car? Does the Shelby world frown on that? Is it looked at like it is a fake since it was not done at Shelby America? I would like to have the forums options. If I did decide to do it who has the best decals to match the originals?

Thanks
Chris

[ShelbyDW]

So you'll stop driving your car after I'm gone? I'm flattered.

Us is me and my Shelby, not you. But I understand why you might think that.

But I'll think about you when I'm driving the SGT.

Later.

Edited by ShelbyDW, 15 October 2012 - 03:24 PM.

[ShelbyGT/SC]

I guess I'm in the opposite situation. I had my GT/SC replaced with Tasca Shelby GT/TR (Tasca Racing).  I have a spare set of GT/SC to replace so I guess I'm an opposite offender. I agree with others, it's what's best for the owner and I agree that as long as you're honest then go for it.

[dh777]

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