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[Hooper T]

It's here, hope to put it on Friday.

It hardly weighs anything!

Not sure if it will fit, SVT could not tell me, the good news is if if doesn't, it can be returned.

Edited by Hooper T, 11 July 2012 - 05:25 AM.

[robertlane]

Sweet.  Looks like that it is made in Germany?

[Hooper T]

robertlane, on 11 July 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Sweet.  Looks like that it is made in Germany?

Yes it Bavarian, but won't know until tomorrow if it's compatible.

[2010KonaBlueGT]

Hooper T, on 11 July 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Yes it Bavarian, but won't know until tomorrow if it's compatible.

Unless you have a 6-hole CV Joint flange on your transmission vs. the stock 4-bolt flat flange, it's not.


Phill

[Hooper T]

A closer look...

[Tob]

Hooper, I've been itching to do this one as well for some time. Yet I've been wary of the obstacles that may make it more challenging than it should have been.


The non-plunging CV joint at the axle end should slip into the '07-'12 pinion flange (may need '13 length bolts though).

As Phill intimated, the trouble lies at the front. Ford had Tremec change the output shaft on the '13 6060 to a higher spline count (40 splines vs only 28 for '07-'12 GT500's). They also changed the flange on the output shaft as well. Note the areas I have highlighted in pink.



Rear interface for 2013...



Front...



Here's a shot of Justin mounting his PST CF shaft and how it mates with the '07-'12 flange at the transmission.



I'm interested to hear your comments. And as much as I wanted the OEM piece as well, I'm also considering this one...

http://www.driveshaf...learance-issues

The tech on it...

http://driveshaftsho...com/blog/?p=546

Let us know what you end up doing - please!

Tob

Edited by Tob, 15 July 2012 - 07:41 PM.

[03 DSG Snake]

PST or DSS. That is the question...

[patrickshelby]

03 DSG Snake, on 16 July 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

PST or DSS. That is the question...

If one would come with double CV joints (like the 13' OEM) that would be the one...

[2010KonaBlueGT]

patrickshelby, on 16 July 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

If one would come with double CV joints (like the 13' OEM) that would be the one...

You would have to change the transmission output flange to accept a CV joint. The current one is flat and a CV requires a concave or hollow mounting flange.

Someone would have to make a flange that replaces the OE flange. Which *could* be done. I'm wondering how Ford got around the DS needing to be shorter/longer on rear axle compression/flexion? Does it have a slip joint on it?

EDIT: I see a bellows on the Trans end so apparently, it does have a slip joint on it.



Phill

Edited by 2010KonaBlueGT, 16 July 2012 - 10:07 AM.

[Tob]

2010KonaBlueGT, on 16 July 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

You would have to change the transmission output flange to accept a CV joint. The current one is flat and a CV requires a concave or hollow mounting flange.

Someone would have to make a flange that replaces the OE flange. Which *could* be done.

Phill

I've been prodding FRPP to get moving and get to work on a flange (transmission output shaft end) that would allow this shaft to be a bolt-in.

I had high hopes when my good friend George snuck some undercar shots at the recent NYIAS. What you see is not what ended up in production...



Looks like Ford simply removed the ring that circumnavigates the flange and bolted the shaft up to it. The next photo shows the flange w/o the ring...



And here's (essentially - its from Rob's car) a '07-'12 Tremec 6060, ring in place on the flange/shaft...



And another clear shot of the area...




This is a weak point on 'severe use' Ford 6060's. Ford no doubt found this out when testing for their CJ program. Breakage was occurring at the end of the output shaft. Here's a shot of a '07-'12 6060 (that is linked to an aftermarket CF shaft) that snapped...



If you look closely at the end of the output shaft in the next photo, you'll see how little spline there is on '07-'12 shafts as well as the number of OD changes the shaft makes within a rather short distance. This is the shaft that Ford upgraded on the '13 and the reason why the flange from a '07-'12 doesn't slip right on (although the photo depicts the older 6060 transmission family)...

[patrickshelby]

Tob, on 16 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

I've been prodding FRPP to get moving and get to work on a flange (transmission output shaft end) that would allow this shaft to be a bolt-in.
This is a weak point on 'severe use' Ford 6060's. Ford no doubt found this out when testing for their CJ program. Breakage was occurring at the end of the output shaft. Here's a shot of a '07-'12 6060 (that is linked to an aftermarket CF shaft) that snapped...

Does this mean the CJ has another output shaft?

[Tob]

Nope. But note how the '12 CJ came equipped...

Quote

2012 Cobra Jet Content:
New for 2012MY:
o Revised 5.4L supercharged engine – different specifications/rating than 2008/2010 model
o Aluminum engine block
o Double keyed crankshaft snout
o Manley H-beam rods
o Improved low-drag racing brakes – Strange Engineering
o Improved rear suspension w/revised rear upper control arm and lower control arm mounts
o Revised and optimized spring rates front and rear
o New design black anodized Cobra Jet wheels - Weld Racing
o Goodyear tires – all new DR compound – Cobra Jet branded
o Brake pedal 2-step switch (micro)
o Optional colors – Race Red, Grabber Blue, and Winner White – no additional charge
Drivetrain:
o 430hp 5.4L DOHC supercharged engine (aluminum block)
o 2.3L TVS Supercharger with twin 65mm dual bore throttle body
o 3-Speed C4 Auto Race Transmission – Joel's on Joy
o 9" rear axle w/4.29:1 Axle Ratio – Strange Engineering

And take a look at the '13 CJ drivetrain...



Consistency is no doubt the driving force between the shift to the hydraulic transmission vs the stick. Tremec 6060's going down doesn't help either...

[patrickshelby]

Yes I saw that, but did not know if previous CJ models came out with a revised Tremec.
I think the Boss 302 S do also have the same OEM Tremec as the 07-12 GT500...
Heard of shifting problems or output shaft issues? But then it's a 444hp "light" car...

[Tob]

Do some quick research and you'll find output shaft failures on the 6060's used in Challenger's as well as Camaro's. The problem needed to be addressed across the board.

[Hooper T]

Finally got the car up on my neighbourhood hoist, had to fix a heat shield and I took a closer look at the stock DS and Flange.







^^^^
Here's my '08




^^^^
'13


Took a few measurement and the new 1 Piece CF shaft is a bit shorter than the Stock 2 Piece but that is to accommodate the new output flange increased size.






This shaft should retrofit with a few more bits and pieces that have been ordered.

Edited by Hooper T, 20 July 2012 - 09:16 PM.

[Tob]

Hoops, you have quickly become my favorite Canadian.

[patrickshelby]

Hooper T, on 20 July 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

Interesting!!!
Give us more when you get the parts.

[03 DSG Snake]

I'm excited.

[patrickshelby]

Any news?

[Tob]

Hey my brother! Flange come in yet?