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#31 OFFLINE   IngotSilverSnake

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:20 PM

Here is a photo of my assistant helping me to change the oil. She says always pre-fill your oil filter. So, are you going to believe these naysayers or my assistant?

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:01 PM

Here is a photo of my assistant helping me to change the oil. She says always pre-fill your oil filter. So, are you going to believe these naysayers or my assistant?


You definitely needed to remove the "remove for oil service" panel. Hope nothing gets stuck.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:06 PM

You definitely needed to remove the "remove for oil service" panel. Hope nothing gets stuck.


I thought that only happens to dogs and shopping carts? B)

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:01 PM

I alway prefill also when I can, its all in the details and the little things that help.

Ever since back in the day when I had a couple of Turbo Gran Nationals, I always pre-filled the oil filters. Same with the Detroit Diesels in my boat. It's probably not as important on our cars; but, on the turbo's, they run dry for a second or two before the oil pressure comes up. If memory serves me right, the Buick's turbo oil feed came right after the filter. And as fast as a turbo spins, you definitely don't want them spinning dry. Habit now; but, I prefill the filter on everything I own. Except my Mercury 4 stroke outboard, the damn thing is installed upside down! Good luck pre-filling that!

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:44 PM

Gentlemen: Since you all probably don't believe my assistant knows much about filters, consider this when deciding whether or not to pre-fill your oil filters. The purpose of the anti-drain back valves that are on most oil filters today is as follows:

"Anti-Drainback Valve. Some oil filter mountings may allow oil to drain out of the filter through the oil pump when the engine is stopped. When the engine is next started, oil must refill the filter before full oil pressure reaches the engine. The anti-drainback valve, included in the filter when required, prevents oil from draining out of the filter. This anti-drainback valve is actually a rubber flap that covers the inside of the inlet holes of the filter. When the oil pump starts pumping oil, the pressure will unseat the flap. The purpose of this valve is to keep the oil filter filed at all times, so when the engine is started there will be an almost instantaneous supply of oil to the engine." (Quote is from this link: http://www.theautoch...ut/filters.html

Another quote from the same article: "Note On Dry Starts: If a vehicle has not been operated for several days or after oil and filter change, some oil may have drained from the filter in spite of the special valves. This is why it is always a good idea to start the engine slowly, letting it run on idle for 30-60 seconds so the lubrication system will be fully charged with oil before a heavy load is placed on the engine."

The filter on late model Shelby's is installed vertically so, the drain back valve makes no difference after the filter is filled. However, the point is that the device is designed to provide an immediate oil supply to the engine to prevent pre-mature wear of some components. I recall an example of the difference it makes on an old Blazer I had years ago. I was getting some engine noise (clatter) at start up that went away after a few seconds. I switched from the standard filter (no anti-drain back valve) to a newer filter with an anti-drain back valve at my dealerships suggestion. Cured the problem instantly. No clatter on start up.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:50 PM

Here is a photo of my assistant helping me to change the oil. She says always pre-fill your oil filter. So, are you going to believe these naysayers or my assistant?


Looks like your assistant needs higher ramps.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:54 PM

Looks like your assistant needs higher ramps.


Yeah. Well at least she can hand me tools when I need them.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

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Do the filters for our car even have a "Anti-Drainback Valve"?

Edited by Snoopy49, 10 December 2012 - 02:24 PM.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:55 PM

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Do the filters for our car even have a "Anti-Drainback Valve"?


Yes -- If you buy the Motorcraft FL-820S Filter specified by Ford for our cars (See description at this link: http://www.autozone....entifier=140249) Most aftermarket filters also have them. However, since the filters install vertically, the only time you have to worry about starting on a dry filter is after an oil and filter change. You can fix that problem by pre-filling the oil filter before installation.

Edited by IngotSilverSnake, 10 December 2012 - 02:57 PM.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

Thanks for the link and the post.

Edited by Snoopy49, 11 December 2012 - 12:12 AM.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

I recall an example of the difference it makes on an old Blazer I had years ago. I was getting some engine noise (clatter) at start up that went away after a few seconds. I switched from the standard filter (no anti-drain back valve) to a newer filter with an anti-drain back valve at my dealerships suggestion. Cured the problem instantly. No clatter on start up.


So that would be the wait for the hydraulic lifters to pump up and in the seconds you wait for that to happen the push rods are clanging against the rocker arms? That would be a little noisy and nerve-racking. Of course solid lifters would prevent that problem I believe.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:23 AM

I solved this with SVT recently. The track pack's oil cooler & lines hold & keeps 1 used qt that does not drain when draining the pan, so an oil refill takes 8.5 qts with or w/o the track pack.

No problem w/o the track pack, but 10%+ used oil stays in track pack equipped GT500's. I wish there was some way to change all 9.5 qts w/TP!

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:39 AM

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.


Hold on there....these guys are worried about running their engines for the two seconds it takes to fill the oil filter up after an oil change when you start the engine. They would rather shoot themselves in the head before allowing the engine to run dry for 10 minutes. That would surely screw up something. :banghead: :finger: :slapfight: :club: :fan: :boxing: :hammer_self:
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.


Careful, someone will take this seriously. Just change the oil as normal.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:46 AM

Does anyone have diagram that shows the oil flow through the engine?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:49 AM

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.


I see you are the owner of DiBlasi Ford. I think I would pass on having your service department change the oil in my car.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:01 AM

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.



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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:07 PM

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.


Hell no !!! :redcard:
Is this a procedure recommended by FORD??
If so, I would like to see it in the tech manual.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:58 PM

Hell no !!! :redcard:
Is this a procedure recommended by FORD??
If so, I would like to see it in the tech manual.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

There's a troll in the house!!


Are you referring to me? Or the guy running his engine dry to drain his oil. B)

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:34 PM

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.


Oh, yeah, and don't forget to fill the crankcase with 8.5 quarts of turpentine and run 'er for about 100 miles just to be extra sure you got all the goo out before refilling with the factory spec oil.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

There's a troll in the house!!


You are right and the troll might actually own a Ford Dealership: http://diblasiford.com/staff.html You guys in New York need to take notice.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:40 PM

Are you referring to me? Or the guy running his engine dry to drain his oil. B)


Not you the idiot who made that dumb suggestion.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:46 PM

The way to get that excess oil out with the track pack is to drain the oil and with the plug out run the engine for 5-10 minutes to purge the cooler and lines. This ought to empty the entire system.


This would cause way more problems than to just leave the used qt in the TP! I stopped thinking about this concern after talking to SVT about it. I recommend that anyone still concerned to call SVT or to just get over it like I did. All things will be imperfect on some level!

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:07 AM

Not you the idiot who made that dumb suggestion.


Thats what I thought.
What part of town are you at??
Haven't seen your car around, but I haven't been out much with the car.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:08 AM

Thats what I thought.
What part of town are you at??
Haven't seen your car around, but I haven't been out much with the car.


I'm in Henderson near Boulder City. They have a cars and coffee Sat morning on Eastern. I go there sometimes.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

I usually go to that one almost every week.
Haven't had either car out in 6 weeks.
Still have left arm in a sling due to surgery.
Anything happening in Boulder City car wise??
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

Not that I know of. This time of year they don't have much..
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