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[MY500SS]

SSSNAKE, on 17 September 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

I'm begining to get the idea that you won't be buying one of these, lol.

  .  I know it's not a laughing matter to some but that is funny.

[svt13]

EL SHELBY, on 17 September 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Absolutely, Ford is making it more and more difficult to upgrade a fantastic car, but that doesn't immediately imply that Shelby is 'greedy'. We have no idea how easy or difficult it is for Shelby to turn a profit on these cars. Last I check, we live in a free enterprise economy. Shelby is welcome to charge anything they want and the rest of us are free to buy, not buy, to praise, or to whine. And, since the the investment value of an SS is unknown, I think it premature to be calling anyone and idiot who doesn't care about money. At this time it could be said that anyone who doesn't buy a SuperSnake is an idiot who doesn't care about Shelby and heritage it represents.

I am interested in seeing where it is confirmed that the several of the mods are downgrades.

They are using the same radiator and Heat exchanger from Van. The new stuff is better than that stuff. Hence downgrade. And its pretty easy for them to turn a profit. It cost them around 10-15k and they almost double their money one every single conversion. In this case like I said they will triple it. So if people want to spend money and not even get half a return then yes they don't care about their money. Why? Because these are the people that make enough that this extra 30k is insignificant to them and your not really getting anything that special.

Now another overpriced car is the RTR-C. But at 135k are you getting your moneys worth? Of course not. But your getting 10 of the only full carbon fiber mustangs ever made.

If shelby wants to make truly great stuff, then the effort put into making the shelby 1000 should be what every super snake gets. If you get shelby 1000 stuff at super snake prices my god shelby would be praised so highly. Granted the super snake can not have 1000 hp but all the other stuff included.

Edited by svt13, 17 September 2012 - 08:18 AM.

[MY500SS]

svt13, on 17 September 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Its not that. Its from 07-09 the cost was truly justified. You turned a crappy stock car into something awesome. It looked awesome and it performed awesome and was unique. I would pay 30k to supersnake an 07-09 no problem. Then 2010-2012 it got a little bit less but still everything was an actual upgrade. And still the styling was nice. Probably should have been dropped to 25k but ok fine whats an extra 5k?

Now we come to 13. Not only are we not getting as many upgrades as before they are actually in fact DOWNGRADING the car. So now we are paying the same 30k not just for less parts, less upgrades, but we are in fact getting a WORSE car at the end of the day. If they made the base package 15k. They would make so much more money and it would be worth it. They can keep the options at the same price. At 15k I would pay for this. At 30? Thats ridiculous and pure greed. And the 300-500 people who pay for this are complete IDIOTS who don't care about their money.

I don't disagree with your post, just not a fan of the "complete IDIOTS" comment.  Spend what you got the way you want.

[svt13]

MY500SS, on 17 September 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

I don't disagree with your post, just not a fan of the "complete IDIOTS" comment.  Spend what you got the way you want.

Ok I retract the complete idiots comment and replace it with careless spenders. I'm just of the mentality that regardless of how much money I make, whether its 100k a year or 1 billion a year I wouldn't want to waste it. Maybe on a bugatti or huayra though

[mikeljgt500kr]

I think the issue is pretty simple.  If you want the Shelby manufactured SS and the price doesn't bother you, get it.  If not, don't buy it and buy something else and add all the mods you want.  Nobody is being forced into buying them and everyone can make their own choices, but there is no good, bad, stupid, smart or whatever here, just personal choice, that's America, at least until the government starts to outlaw cars like this.....

[svt13]

mikeljgt500kr, on 17 September 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

I think the issue is pretty simple.  If you want the Shelby manufactured SS and the price doesn't bother you, get it.  If not, don't buy it and buy something else and add all the mods you want.  Nobody is being forced into buying them and everyone can make their own choices, but there is no good, bad, stupid, smart or whatever here, just personal choice, that's America, at least until the government starts to outlaw cars like this.....

They did the FGT already. Though I think that had to do with the headlights or something being too low

[EL SHELBY]

svt13, on 17 September 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

..... The new stuff is better than that stuff. Hence downgrade.....

Ah, now I see. Sounds very scientific!

[carnut12]

I agree if you want to buy it to each their own, I am glad I did all my upgrades back when they were priced at market value, they were not that much more than getting them done outside of a Shelby Authorized Shop.

[rocky]

mikeljgt500kr, on 17 September 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

I think the issue is pretty simple.  If you want the Shelby manufactured SS and the price doesn't bother you, get it.  If not, don't buy it and buy something else and add all the mods you want.  Nobody is being forced into buying them and everyone can make their own choices, but there is no good, bad, stupid, smart or whatever here, just personal choice, that's America, at least until the government starts to outlaw cars like this.....

Well said my man.

[goin2dirt]

hodger, on 17 September 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

On Shelby's build sheet it reads $54200 for a base car Can you get a base car for that sort of money?

Most have paid over $60K + $29K for base package + what everyone really wants more power and you are well north of $100K

SSSNAKE, on 17 September 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

I'm begining to get the idea that you won't be buying one of these, lol.

You got that right. I am appalled at the thought of them charging $30K for badging.  You know there will be people that go out and waste that kind of money on one of these. I am sorry but I don't care what kind of legendary name Shelby is, you are getting 1/3 of your value for that $30K.  I could give Revan or VMP $30K, they could burn $15K of it with a match, use the other $15K to upgrade my car and it would be better than the $90K SS.  How cares it would not have a CSM and all the gaudy badging.

mikeljgt500kr, on 17 September 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

You mean like a ZR1?

Sure that but I was thinking more like now you are in the Porsche range and a far superior automobile.

Lastly, yes this is American and to each his own.  This is just one man and one man's only opinion. Yes it is only my opinion.  Carry on

[svt13]

EL SHELBY, on 17 September 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Ah, now I see. Sounds very scientific!

Duh I am a engineer obviously lol. But seriously the radiator and heat exchanger they use are Van's. The new stuff is even larger and more efficient. I think Van may be working on improving his in the future

[carnut12]

goin2dirt, on 17 September 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Most have paid over $60K + $29K for base package + what everyone really wants more power and you are well north of $100K

You got that right. I am appalled at the thought of them charging $30K for badging.  You know there will be people that go out and waste that kind of money on one of these. I am sorry but I don't care what kind of legendary name Shelby is, you are getting 1/3 of your value for that $30K.  I could give Revan or VMP $30K, they could burn $15K of it with a match, use the other $15K to upgrade my car and it would be better than the $90K SS.  How cares it would not have a CSM and all the gaudy badging.



Sure that but I was thinking more like now you are in the Porsche range and a far superior automobile.

Lastly, yes this is American and to each his own.  This is just one man and one man's only opinion. Yes it is only my opinion.  Carry on

I agree that is Porsche C4S territory or slightly used Turbo.  Nothing against the ZR1, but if I pay $100K I want a nice interior, Porsche has this down.  I am convinced my next car will be another P-Car, but I will keep my Shelby as well.  By the way that $15K you give Revan would include some Horsepower, this $30K does not.

To each their own, but for me 2 plus 2 does not equal based on what your getting.

Edited by carnut12, 17 September 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[MY500SS]

rocky, on 17 September 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Well said my man.

[91z28350]

Wow, I am truly underwhelmed. For 15K, I would consider this worthwhile (still overpriced but ok). Yes SA has the right to charge what they will, just as we have the right to voice our opinion and spend our money where we will.

Edited by 91z28350, 17 September 2012 - 08:08 PM.

[svt13]

Wait I am confused by this article http://mustangsdaily...00-super-snake/

It says this is the cheapest SS package yet? How is 29k cheap? Is it becuase the other ones were like 32k? lol

[mikeljgt500kr]

Well, looks like I will forget about a SS, it seems there is no way for me to order the GT500 base vehicle and have much hope of getting that before late spring, if ever.  But at least the dealer didn't try to gouge with dealer premiums to jump the line.....

[goin2dirt]

mikeljgt500kr, on 18 September 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

Well, looks like I will forget about a SS, it seems there is no way for me to order the GT500 base vehicle and have much hope of getting that before late spring, if ever.  But at least the dealer didn't try to gouge with dealer premiums to jump the line.....

What you can't get the $54k base vehicle as stated? What a surprise. So your SS would really be like $90k+ with zero HP gains.

You are not missing anything.

[mikeljgt500kr]

goin2dirt, on 18 September 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

What you can't get the $54k base vehicle as stated? What a surprise. So your SS would really be like $90k+ with zero HP gains.

You are not missing anything.

Maybe not, guess I will wait till next year, or maybe get the GT350.

[svt13]

The gt350 is more worth it. Its faster than a 2012 shelby too. Just not faster than a 13

[Mr. Haney]

svt13, on 17 September 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

They are using the same radiator and Heat exchanger from Van. The new stuff is better than that stuff. Hence downgrade.

My question to you is

Where did you find any information about the Shelby America SS radiator and heat exchanger being a downgrade from the factory 2013 Ford GT500 components?

I can tell you from my experience with my 2013 GT500 on a dyno that the factory heat exchanger on a hot day causes power loses very quickly. We did three back to back dyno runs with roughly a 3 to 4 minute break between each run. By the third run the engine lost 32 Hp to the tires due to heat soaking of the H/E. We had a fan in front of the car ramming air strictly into the lower grill opening/heat exchanger while testing. This told me the factory heat exchanger needs to be upgraded if you are going to be serious about Hp improvements to the car.

I know Ford upgraded the H/E over the 2012 model GT500 in the 2013 cars, but how do you know the Shelby H/E isn't better than the 2013 GT500 H/E? How do you know the 2013 GT500 radiator is better than the Shelby Radiator?

Where did you find this information?


I'm not trying to bust on you...........I want to know this information for myself, because I plan on stepping on the power and I don't want to buy an inferior product to keep things cool. Who builds the best Radiator and Heat Exchanger for a GT500? I was actually thinking of the Shelby H/E from a S1000 would be the best product, because it is larger than the standard H/E in a GT500SS from everything I've read to date