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#61 OFFLINE   AndyGJ

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:16 AM

do the motor mounts. i didnt notice any increase in nvh and im running the hardest motor mounts i could find


That's great to hear! Did you have to adjust the pinion angle that Sam mentioned in the above post? I guess that has to do with the angle of the driveshaft with the motor & rear differential...again, I'm a novice at this stuff.

Thanks,
Andy.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


#62 OFFLINE   AndyGJ

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:12 PM

Does anyone have any thoughts on whether or not the 1/2 inch drop using the Steeda motor mounts will require any adjustments to the axle or pinion angle?

Thanks,
Andy.

Edited by AndyGJ, 28 November 2012 - 05:12 PM.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:54 PM

A half inch shouldn't be enough to require adjusting the pinion angle. If your running a 1 piece though you might. wont know unless you start getting vibration. its unlikely youll need to adjust it.I didn't drop my motor at all. I didn't use lowering mounts.

Bottom line ditch the stock mounts. The hydra mounts have a tendency to rupture when pushed hard.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:30 AM

I would also like to go the NA route but question the test results supplied by MM&FF. If you read the article, generously supplied by Jeff on page 3 of this thread- post #62,, you will note that they used a stock 4.6 3V which obtains 359.9 HP at 6,000 rpm. I don't know of any stock 4.6 that would provide much over 300, without a tune and a cold air intake. Even then, our 4.6's in the SGT are rated at 325 for the GT-H and 319 for the SGT. And this test takes the 4.6 to 7,000 rpm on the later tests with the bolt ons and I don't think our stock bottom end should be pushed to 7,000. But this test generously gives about 40 HP, or more, to the tests results before any modifications.

Edited by 07SGT, 29 November 2012 - 05:32 AM.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:42 AM

I guess I'll be the test case and go step by step through the process to show what changes in the performance numbers along the way...

Stay tuned...more to come.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:12 PM

Placed the order for parts with the installer and paid the deposit. Just waiting for schedule date to take the SGT in for the work.
Hoping for the week of Dec 10th, but I'll take next week if it works!

Step #2 to include: 1) JBA Equal Lenght Ceramic Shorty Headers, 2) Steeda Under Drive Pulley, and 3) Steeda 1/2 Lowering Motor Mounts (red bushings). :happy feet:

More to come!!

Edited by AndyGJ, 29 November 2012 - 08:35 PM.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:02 AM

glad you went with the JBA's.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:04 AM

glad you went with the JBA's. Also let us know how everything sounds.

do you plan to do the hot rod cams?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:13 AM

Andy, what are the step #1 parts you have ordered? Sorry, but I'm not certain from reading all the above. Following this thread with great interest!


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:38 AM

glad you went with the JBA's. Also let us know how everything sounds.

do you plan to do the hot rod cams?


Yes, the Hot Rod Cams will be Step #3, the the final step (step #4) will be the FRPP Performance intake manifold...at least that is the plan for now, and I hope to document what the gains are each step of the way.

Andy, what are the step #1 parts you have ordered? Sorry, but I'm not certain from reading all the above. Following this thread with great interest!


Sorry - long thread and tons of questions from me...

Step #1 was the FRPP 62mm Throttle Body and updated Steeda tune that I did about a week and a half ago...great mod and easy to do!! I don't know if there was technically a performance increase, but it sure feel like I added some power in the 5 - 10 hp range, but nothing to prove it.

Andy.

Edited by AndyGJ, 30 November 2012 - 10:48 AM.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:28 PM

I would also like to go the NA route but question the test results supplied by MM&FF. If you read the article, generously supplied by Jeff on page 3 of this thread- post #62,, you will note that they used a stock 4.6 3V which obtains 359.9 HP at 6,000 rpm. I don't know of any stock 4.6 that would provide much over 300, without a tune and a cold air intake. Even then, our 4.6's in the SGT are rated at 325 for the GT-H and 319 for the SGT. And this test takes the 4.6 to 7,000 rpm on the later tests with the bolt ons and I don't think our stock bottom end should be pushed to 7,000. But this test generously gives about 40 HP, or more, to the tests results before any modifications.

Note that the base line set up does include FRPP CAI, FRPP 62mm TB, Headers, No FEAD, and an electric water pump. I have very close to the setup your working on, your going to be very happy and you won't be fighting high IAT's pulling timing as often. You may want to go the full 3/4in drop on the motor mounts because you need to leave some space over the intake for twist under max torque.

Edited by Halsey, 30 November 2012 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:32 PM

Note that the base line set up does include FRPP CAI, FRPP 62mm TB, Headers, No FEAD, and an electric water pump. I have very close to the setup your working on, your going to be very happy and you won't be fighting high IAT's pulling timing as often. You may want to go the full 3/4in drop on the motor mounts because you need to leave some space over the intake for twist under max torque.


Halsey, Tell me about your set-up!!

I will double check to see if I need to go a full 3/4 drop with the installer, but hoping all I need is the 1/2. I sure don't want the FRPP intake manifold being pressed up against the strut tower brace!!

Andy.

Edited by AndyGJ, 30 November 2012 - 03:32 PM.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:47 PM

Yes, the Hot Rod Cams will be Step #3, the the final step (step #4) will be the FRPP Performance intake manifold...at least that is the plan for now, and I hope to document what the gains are each step of the way.



Sorry - long thread and tons of questions from me...

Step #1 was the FRPP 62mm Throttle Body and updated Steeda tune that I did about a week and a half ago...great mod and easy to do!! I don't know if there was technically a performance increase, but it sure feel like I added some power in the 5 - 10 hp range, but nothing to prove it.

Andy.


Thanks Andy.

Can you provide a link to the updated Steeda tune you purchased?


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:45 PM

FRPP 62mm TB, FRPP intake, FRPP cams, Kooks LT, -3/4 on steeda mounts, stock STB with 1/4" clearance over intake.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

FRPP 62mm TB, FRPP intake, FRPP cams, Kooks LT, -3/4 on steeda mounts, stock STB with 1/4" clearance over intake.


WOW - almost exactly what I'm doing! I went with the JBA Shorty headers instead of Kooks LTs - that's the only difference. Did you do the Steeda UDP? I'm also adding that this upcoming step.

Halsey - do you know what kind of HP and TQ numbers you are generating? Just curious.

Thanks Andy.

Can you provide a link to the updated Steeda tune you purchased?


Ilmor - I'd be happy to post it, but just know that it is set for 93 octane, Steeda CAI elbow tube, and FRPP 62mm throttle body. It is for an SCT-X3 tuner as well that I purchased for them, so I get free tune updates as needed.

Let me know if you still want it posted, and I'll do it ASAP.

Andy.

Edited by AndyGJ, 30 November 2012 - 07:18 PM.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:28 AM

Ilmor - I'd be happy to post it, but just know that it is set for 93 octane, Steeda CAI elbow tube, and FRPP 62mm throttle body. It is for an SCT-X3 tuner as well that I purchased for them, so I get free tune updates as needed.

Let me know if you still want it posted, and I'll do it ASAP.

Andy.


Andy, sure, I'd like to see it. No rush, however, I'm just interested.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:54 AM

Andy, please post a sound byte of the JBA's when you can. Will you keep the remainder of the stock exhaust?

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:50 AM

WOW - almost exactly what I'm doing! I went with the JBA Shorty headers instead of Kooks LTs - that's the only difference. Did you do the Steeda UDP? I'm also adding that this upcoming step.


No, I personally did not want to reduce coolant flow (biggest gain of the UDP is the water pump reduction) so I have an electric water pump and Fluidyne radiator. No dyno, but if you want to see a comparison on the track to a GT/SC (camara is in the SC) watch the last half of this video. http://www.teamshelb...mit-point-w-va/

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:56 PM

Andy, please post a sound byte of the JBA's when you can. Will you keep the remainder of the stock exhaust?


I have switched out the SGT mufflers for the KR mufflers back in the Summer...I love the sound, and don't want to make it any louder (part of the reason for staying with the Shorties. So, yes, other than the KR mufflers, I have 100% stock SGT exhaust to add the JBAs to.

I'll be glad to post it up.

Andy.

Present Mustang:
2008 Shelby GT Convertible #1676

Mods Installed:
BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 Tires (275/40/R18 Front & Rear)
CDC Sequential Tail Lights
FRPP GT500KR Axleback Mufflers
FRPP GT500KR 18" Rims
FRPP 62mm Throttle Body
FRPP Boss 302 Low Expansion Brakelines
Hawk HPS Brake Pads (front & rear)
JBA Tuned Length Ceramic Shorty Headers
LD's Performance Custom Tuning (91 & 93 Octane) w/SCT-X3 Tuner
Redline Hood Struts (w/update kit)
Royal Purple Synthetic Oil 5w20

Royal Purple Differential Gear Lub

Royal Purple Manual Transmission Fluid
Shelby Lower Radiator Grill Insert - Black
Shelby 4.6L Valve Covers
Shelby GT Berg Snake Faux Gas Cap
Shelby GT Berg Snake Front Floor Mats & Trunk Mat
Shelby Plain Rear Seat Floor Mats
Shelby Billet Engine Cap Set
Shelby Billet Fusebox Cover
Shelby Transmission Cooler Scoop
Shelby Front Brake Duct Cooling Kit

Shelby Fays2 Watts Link
Performance Brake Slotted & Cross Drilled Rotors (front & rear)
Ford Motorcraft DOT4 Brake Fluid
Steeda CAI Intake Elbow w/Black Tube
Steeda Motor Mounts (red inserts)
Steeda Under Drive Pulley

Prior Mustangs:

1968 Mustang Coupe - Midnight Blue
1966 Mustang Convertible 289v2 - Red w/black top & interior (still in the family)
1973 Mustang Convertible 351W - Poppy Red w/black top & interior - MCA Senior Division Grand National Retired Winner
1989 Mustang Hatchback 5.0 w/5spd - 25th Anniversary - Red w/red & black interior


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:30 PM

I am curious. does the electric water pump provide cooling similar to stock and if so does the electric water pump free up similar amount of HP to the UD pulleys?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:34 PM

Steeda claims up to 10 hp gain . Meziere clamis 11 to 14 hp gain. Depends on what you want to achieve. UPD's drop to coolant flow significantly at idle and low rpms. Electric gives a constant output.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:36 PM

WOW. 11-14 HP is significant. And less drag on internal parts, etc. What is the cost of the electric water pump and have you had any issues?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:01 AM

Don't want to turn this into to a water pump thread, but I have the Meziere WP349S super duty double bearing unit and have had no problems. Shop around seems like more and more of the 4.6l product prices have been reduced.

Link to Meziere Enterprises
http://www.meziere.c...87-wp349s.aspx#

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:38 AM

Don't want to turn this into to a water pump thread, but I have the Meziere WP349S super duty double bearing unit and have had no problems. Shop around seems like more and more of the 4.6l product prices have been reduced.

Link to Meziere Enterprises
http://www.meziere.c...87-wp349s.aspx#


Geat post, and something to consider for us warm climate SGT owners over the UDPs.

It is a bit more money than the Steeda UDP - $210 versus $600 (plus install on both), but I'll monitor my motor temps closely. If I have a problem, then this would make total sense to switch to this unit in place of the under drive pulley. I don't drive mine daily - just a nice weather vehicle, and when the temps in Atlanta reach 90+ in the Summer, I usually leave the SGT in the garage.

Thanks for the input...if I wasn't on a strict budget right now, then I'd jump that direction from the start instead of the UDP.

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Edited by AndyGJ, 03 December 2012 - 11:40 AM.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

Andy, have you considered a one piece, aluminum drive shaft to free up about 10-12 more HP? Frees up ponies and less weight. and you can probably do it yourself in the garage.

Edited by 07SGT, 03 December 2012 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:02 PM

Yes, I have thought about that, and would eventually like to do it.

I was not sure if it was something that I could do myself or if it required any adjustments to any of the suspension components after the switch. With the $800 cost that most of them run, I have put that on the back burner until all these engine mods were done....I also didn't know how much additional HP or TQ it would add.

If it does add about 10 - 12 more HP, that with my other mods should help me exceed the 400 HP number I'm looking for.

If only my bank account was unlimited right now!!! Wishful thinking.

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:38 PM

Andy, have you considered a one piece, aluminum drive shaft to free up about 10-12 more HP? Frees up ponies and less weight. and you can probably do it yourself in the garage.


What are you basing those numbers off of? I know it reduces rotating mass and would add HP, but I've never seen a HP numerical representation of that benefit.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:56 AM

This is what I have read on other Mustang forums . One thread stated the manufacturer claimed 14 HP. We both know it does not create or make HP, rather it frees up the equivalent of x number of HP by having to turn less rotational mass. Obviously there are differences in the multitude of different drive shafts made for our vehicles. Others are claiming increased gas mileage and quicker 60 and 1/4 mile time and end speed. Obviously it is freeing up HP.

Edited by 07SGT, 04 December 2012 - 08:05 AM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:06 AM

This is what I have read on other Mustang forums . One thread stated the manufacturer claimed 14 HP. We both know it does not create or make HP, rather it frees up the equivalent of x number of HP by having to turn less rotational mass. Obviously there are differences in the multitude of different drive shafts made for our vehicles. Others are claiming increased gas mileage and quicker 60 and 1/4 mile time and end speed. Obviously it is freeing up HP.


I have read this as well. Makes sense...
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:51 AM

I was going to this using this set-up:

http://www.fordracin.../m-fr4-s197.htm

$$$$ but I thought it provided the best long term engine life and reliability.

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