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#1 OFFLINE   NMAv

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:49 PM

I've done all sorts of mods to my car but have never gotten it out to the track, well come the Shelby Bash 2013 I have two days of track time scheduled. I've got the SVT 20 - 19 combo setup that I normally run. Everything I have read says that 20 wheels for road racing is not a good thing. So my question is, what is recommended of this application?

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:06 PM

You will get various responses. If you run street tires, it will be challenging under any circumstances. I have never run anything other than 18" wheels on the track. That provides a fair amount of side wall. I have raced a Boss 302 and he had street tires and 19" wheels and he did pretty well. Mostly, be careful until you are familiar with how your car handles at speed. Your car is wicked fast for the straight away but physics still apply in the corners. Add street tires to all your power and things in the corners can get real interesting real fast. Have a great time at the Bash.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:40 PM

The SVTPP is a competent package as it is for someone that hasn't been the track before. You have a boat load of power so you may end up BBQing your brakes if it is hot out.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:27 AM

Your stock wheels/tires should be good enough for your first time. You will be surprised how far you can push it. Also, for yours and everyone's safety, including the cars, don't forget the brakes. Please change your brake fluid to a high-performance fluid that won't boil and fail during track braking.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:22 AM

I agree - brakes are more critical.

On my SGT I ran on my stock 18's and all weather original BFG tires...sliding was fun....
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:24 AM

Your stock wheels/tires should be good enough for your first time. You will be surprised how far you can push it. Also, for yours and everyone's safety, including the cars, don't forget the brakes. Please change your brake fluid to a high-performance fluid that won't boil and fail during track braking.


+1 on all of this. Street tires and brake fluid.The other thing you will need is a good air pressure gauge regardless of the tires you are running. When you get to the track talk to other drivers and see what they are running for pressures. I will not only help save your tires a bit, but it will help the car handle more predictably.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:32 AM

I've done all sorts of mods to my car but have never gotten it out to the track, well come the Shelby Bash 2013 I have two days of track time scheduled. I've got the SVT 20 - 19 combo setup that I normally run. Everything I have read says that 20 wheels for road racing is not a good thing. So my question is, what is recommended of this application?

After reading your description of mods on your 2011 GT500 and noting your level of experience I would suggest going with a set of 19x9.5 RTR wheels and putting on a set of Kumho Ecsta XS 285/35-19 tires on all four corners . JMO P.S. - these tires are "legal " for ST class cars running in SCCA.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

What brand brake fluid would you recommend?

And thank you!

Edited by NMAv, 19 December 2012 - 06:34 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

You can go with either the Ford High Performance brake fluid , Castrol Dot 4 ( formally known as LMA ) , or Motul RBF600 . As far as brake pads go -if you want something for street performance/limited track use go with Hawk HPS pads front and rear (better than stock and NO SQUEAL). True track pads will squeal . If you're considering performance rotors - go with slotted only ( crossdrilled are for looks and when the edge of a counter/radius hole wears it becomes a heat sink point and creates/ forms cracks on the rotor surface) 2 piece (floater) fronts because of the fixed front calipers . (I.E. = DBA5000) JMO P.S. - If you are going to put on SS braided hoses make sure that they are DOT approved .

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

You can go with either the Ford High Performance brake fluid , Castrol Dot 4 ( formally known as LMA ) , or Motul RBF600 . As far as brake pads go -if you want something for street performance/limited track use go with Hawk HPS pads front and rear (better than stock and NO SQUEAL). True track pads will squeal . If you're considering performance rotors - go with slotted only ( crossdrilled are for looks and when the edge of a counter/radius hole wears it becomes a heat sink point and creates/ forms cracks on the rotor surface) 2 piece (floater) fronts because of the fixed front calipers . (I.E. = DBA5000) JMO P.S. - If you are going to put on SS braided hoses make sure that they are DOT approved .


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

I run the Kuhmo ecsta xs tires on my '68 and really like them, they are a damn good value IMO.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:07 AM

I average doing 4 track events a year for the last 5 years. I am very happy with Cooper S3s that Jack Roush worked with Cooper on and 18 inch wheels. I use Hawk Pads and Dot 4 Fluid. It is a great hobby. Be safe and have fun young Jedi! There are some real good track folks on here to coach you.

Edited by 3ponies, 27 December 2012 - 05:08 AM.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:38 AM

I wouldn't mind a set of these for track duty http://fordracingpar...tKeyField=13505


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:51 AM

I average doing 4 track events a year for the last 5 years. I am very happy with Cooper S3s that Jack Roush worked with Cooper on and 18 inch wheels. I use Hawk Pads and Dot 4 Fluid. It is a great hobby. Be safe and have fun young Jedi! There are some real good track folks on here to coach you.

Which tire sizes do you put on your car since they don't have the Ford specified sizes for our GT500? Thanks.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

Which tire sizes do you put on your car since they don't have the Ford specified sizes for our GT500? Thanks.

I use my Roush Stage 3 on the Track the Coopers are 275/40R18. The Stage 3 is more like a Sheby Super Charged GT than a GT500. The best price you will get on these tires is via Roush Performance. No Tax, No shipping. I just bought my 3rd set from them. My wheels are 18X10. All wheels and tires are the same size.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

Stock tires are a bit pricey for open track duty IMHO. I prefer to run 18 x 9.5 wheels (less rotating mass = better braking) all the way around so they can be cross rotated to prolong life. For tires...a Nitto NT-01, Toyo RA-1 Proxy or a Hoosier R6 for more agressive driving. I have a complete setup for sale on ebay if you are looking...they only have about 100 miles/3 heat cycles on them...basically brand new. http://www.ebay.com/...984.m1558.l2649 Please PM me if interested.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:46 AM

I wouldn't mind a set of these for track duty http://fordracingpar...tKeyField=13505


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This is the ultimate set of open track wheels...I think they are only about 17 or 18 pounds each. Here they are on my '12 GT500 with Hoosier R6's (275/35x18)

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:53 AM

Stock tires are a bit pricey for open track duty IMHO. I prefer to run 18 x 9.5 wheels (less rotating mass = better braking) all the way around so they can be cross rotated to prolong life. For tires...a Nitto NT-01, Toyo RA-1 Proxy or a Hoosier R6 for more agressive driving. I have a complete setup for sale on ebay if you are looking...they only have about 100 miles/3 heat cycles on them...basically brand new. http://www.ebay.com/...984.m1558.l2649 Please PM me if interested.


Thanks. NC is a long way from CO. I was looking at a set of 18s from American Racing with new Nittos mounted etc delvered for ~ 1800. Spoke with Jer @ SPP and he said they will be coming out with some sort of track wheel in the near future so I'm gonig to hold off for now. Not sure if it would be a wheel/tire combo or what but I can afford to wait a month or so as I won't be tracking the car until the bash in March.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

I use my Roush Stage 3 on the Track the Coopers are 275/40R18. The Stage 3 is more like a Sheby Super Charged GT than a GT500. The best price you will get on these tires is via Roush Performance. No Tax, No shipping. I just bought my 3rd set from them. My wheels are 18X10. All wheels and tires are the same size.

Ok, got it. Thanks for the info and advice, 3Ponies!! A friend of mine is a Cooper dealer, I'll ask him to get me a price.

Ever since the Ponies In The Poconos event I attended I've been bitten by the track racing bug! This is all great wheel/tire track advice in here! Thanks all!

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

Ok, got it. Thanks for the info and advice, 3Ponies!! A friend of mine is a Cooper dealer, I'll ask him to get me a price.

Ever since the Ponies In The Poconos event I attended I've been bitten by the track racing bug! This is all great wheel/tire track advice in here! Thanks all!


I believe that HOD is planning an event this year at Pocono. A lot of my Roush friends are looking forward to an event there.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:33 AM

These wheels are light weight and affordable. Sam Strano was running these and recommended them.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:20 AM

These wheels are light weight and affordable. Sam Strano was running these and recommended them.

http://www.stranopar...=222&ModelID=35


The link shows a bunch of wheels. Which ones were the ones Sam Strano recommended? Thanks.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:22 AM

The link shows a bunch of wheels. Which ones were the ones Sam Strano recommended? Thanks.

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Assuming the Steeda wheels as the others aren't cheap/inexpensive.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:25 AM

I picked up a set of 18x9.5 off of a 2008 GT500 with tires already mounted (275/35r18 falken azenis) for $800. Seemed like a good deal so I pulled the trigger.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:38 AM

Assuming the Steeda wheels as the others aren't cheap/inexpensive.


If you punch up the link on the Enkei wheels, it shows that the price is for 4 wheels and it states the weight of each wheel so those may be the ones he was talking about. I am concerned about the offset. Going to a 35mm offset is not what I want for the track . . . I want to stick with 45mm. Problem is, I want black for track wheels because, in the end, they end up that color anyway.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:44 AM

I asked this same question of Gary Patterson last year before I tracked at summit point for the first time. He told me to do 2 things...


1) Brakes and brake fluid. I used Duralast C-max gold ceramic. A nice pad for road and track. And ATE Super Blue brake fluid. I personally liked this choice because when flushing out the stock fluid there was no doubt when you are done. The blue color is the bomb!

2) Tires! Good tires... Gary clearly stated the best track tire was Hoosier R6's. I mounted them on my stock 2009 500 18" rims. Everyone else with stock tires were sliding and squealing through the corners. Mine stuck like I was on rails in the corners! Unbelievable and in my opinion well worth the purchase. Problem is you have to get them to the track. Not street legal nor would you want to drive them on the road. I put 2 in the trunk and dropped down the back seat and put 2 in the back seat!

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Unfortunately one of the other participants didn't change his brake fluid and lost his brakes and ran into me... :fear:
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:04 AM

Ouch.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:20 AM

If you punch up the link on the Enkei wheels, it shows that the price is for 4 wheels and it states the weight of each wheel so those may be the ones he was talking about. I am concerned about the offset. Going to a 35mm offset is not what I want for the track . . . I want to stick with 45mm. Problem is, I want black for track wheels because, in the end, they end up that color anyway.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:00 AM

If you want to get black wheels - sell me those 18" KR wheels . :drool:


I run beat up GT500 wheels on the track presently. Those KR wheels are so I look pretty on the street. B)

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2008 Shelby GT Mustang, Vista Blue with Silver Stripes, 5-Speed, Coupe, CSM Number 08SGT0282. Shelby Las Vegas Mod Shop additions: Center gauge cluster, Kenne Bell polished supercharger, Lower grille with front and rear brake ducts w/o driving lights, Sequential directional lights. Installed post Mod Shop: AP Racing brakes (6-piston front, 4-piston rear), Fays2 Watts Link, GT500KR wheels and Goodyear F1 Supercar tires, Compass/temp/homelink rear view mirror, IUP gauges retrofit, Roger's IUP steering wheel, Metco upper and lower control arms, BBR 3.5" aluminum drive shaft, BMR front drive shaft safety loop; Autopower four point roll bar, Autopower five point racing harnesses (both sides), camber/caster plates, JBA shorty headers, QTP exhaust cutouts, Safecraft fire suppression system, Shelby/Revan Racing radiator, heat exchanger, and Shelby/Revan Racing black anodized underhood tanks, and Ford Racing power steering cooler. McCloud twin disk clutch with aluminum flywheel.  Dyno results: 453 rear wheel torque, 447 rear wheel horse power @ 67 degrees F, 75% humidity @ sea level.


#30 OFFLINE   Surfergeek

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Ouch on the getting run into!

Lots of good advice here on brake fluids and pads, but also wanted to add another wheel recommendation.

The Enkei PF-01 in 18"x9.5" are a good choice as well with a +45 offset.

And Forgestar F14s make nice lightweight wheels for a decent price that come in 18x10" with a +42 offset that can fit on all 4 corners, that's the wheel I use presently for the track.


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