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#31 OFFLINE   tpow96

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:36 AM

I run beat up GT500 wheels on the track presently. Those KR wheels are so I look pretty on the street. B)

Jim


Just picked up some beat up GT500 wheels and fresh R compound tires for a good price, so I am looking
forward to try them out this season. Figure if it was good for the F500S, it's good enough for me at the price.
One thing I learned through the years of autocrossing is to not care about nicks on my racing wheels.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:42 AM

I asked this same question of Gary Patterson last year before I tracked at summit point for the first time. He told me to do 2 things...


1) Brakes and brake fluid. I used Duralast C-max gold ceramic. A nice pad for road and track. And ATE Super Blue brake fluid. I personally liked this choice because when flushing out the stock fluid there was no doubt when you are done. The blue color is the bomb!

2) Tires! Good tires... Gary clearly stated the best track tire was Hoosier R6's. I mounted them on my stock 2009 500 18" rims. Everyone else with stock tires were sliding and squealing through the corners. Mine stuck like I was on rails in the corners! Unbelievable and in my opinion well worth the purchase. Problem is you have to get them to the track. Not street legal nor would you want to drive them on the road. I put 2 in the trunk and dropped down the back seat and put 2 in the back seat!

Unfortunately one of the other participants didn't change his brake fluid and lost his brakes and ran into me... :fear:
So my 3rd recommendation would be to get Track insurance.



I was there with Pete, so I can very much endorse all of his recommendations. Although, the Hoosiers are pricey, so if you get a deal on another set of R compound tires, go for it.

Two tires in the trunk, though? I'll have to try that next time. I did put two in my back seat and secured with the seat belts as I didn't want those suckers to kill me on a hard stop.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:48 AM

One thing I learned through the years of autocrossing is to not care about nicks on my racing wheels.
-Tom


Isn't that the truth. Wheels in a track context are viewed differently from the street. On a track, pretty doesn't make you go faster and ugly doesn't make you go slower either.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:46 AM

Isn't that the truth. Wheels in a track context are viewed differently from the street. On a track, pretty doesn't make you go faster and ugly doesn't make you go slower either.

Jim


Amen to that... Besides I picked these up from Rehagen Racing, so these wheels will have gone much faster than
I will ever get to.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:10 AM

Just picked up some beat up GT500 wheels and fresh R compound tires for a good price, so I am looking
forward to try them out this season. Figure if it was good for the F500S, it's good enough for me at the price.
One thing I learned through the years of autocrossing is to not care about nicks on my racing wheels.

-Tom

Tom, what did you end up getting for tires? (If you don't mind sharing :) )

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

I run 275/40 NT01's on 18x10 D-force wheels, the tire/wheel combo weighs in at 46lbs
The wheels are 19.2 lbs each

http://vorshlag.smug...S/DSC3133-S.jpg

The 40 series keeps the NA 4.6L from running out of rpm's with the 3.73's on the long straight aways


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Edited by FordFan1, 13 January 2013 - 01:26 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

Tom, what did you end up getting for tires? (If you don't mind sharing :) )


Sean, not at all: they had Toyo R888s mounted on them. Haven't tried these before,
but supposedly they have some wet traction and longer life than the stickier Hoosiers.
We'll see....

Size: 275/35-18.

I am curious about Kerry's point above about running out of RPMs. What gear, and
which track?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:42 PM

I was there with Pete, so I can very much endorse all of his recommendations. Although, the Hoosiers are pricey, so if you get a deal on another set of R compound tires, go for it.

Two tires in the trunk, though? I'll have to try that next time. I did put two in my back seat and secured with the seat belts as I didn't want those suckers to kill me on a hard stop.

-Tom


Yeah they were... $1400 from Tire Rack.com.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:05 PM

I run 275/40 NT01's on 18x10 D-force wheels, the tire/wheel combo weighs in at 46lbs
The wheels are 19.2 lbs each

http://vorshlag.smug...S/DSC3133-S.jpg

The 40 series keeps the NA 4.6L from running out of rpm's with the 3.73's on the long straight aways


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Nice setup Kerry - I'm going with the Nitto NT01 275/40-18 all around on my 07 GT500 this year. ( beats tearing up my Michelin PS2 's on the track )
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

Sean, not at all: they had Toyo R888s mounted on them. Haven't tried these before,
but supposedly they have some wet traction and longer life than the stickier Hoosiers.
We'll see....

Size: 275/35-18.

I am curious about Kerry's point above about running out of RPMs. What gear, and
which track?

-Tom


I run 3.73's in my SGT
At Portland and Seattle, there are very long straight aways, I top out in 4th around 130mph at 6200 rpm's. with a 35 series the diameter is to short to get maximum top speed.
The 3.73's are perfect for Portland (see video below) but at Seattle the main straight away is a couple 100' longer and I must burb the throttle half way down to stay off the rev limiter-

4:10's would be real trouble, were as 3.55's work ok but best with a blower application.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVLbFXPF3Mg




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Edited by FordFan1, 13 January 2013 - 09:37 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

Yep , I get the same at Laguna Seca and Sonoma Raceway ( 4th gear 6200 -6300 ) but Thunderhill makes you temped to go into 5th ( too much RPM drop ) on the long straights so you have to float it or you lose too much by up shift then right back to down shift for the up coming corner. :superhero: :shoppingcart_:
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:37 AM

I have to say I'm highly disappointed. Ordered my tires and wheels for some road racing, they arrived (I obviously was excited and wanted to share my excitement with my 13 year old daughter). Her response, "big deal, more Shelby junk". I was crushed. See if she ever gets to drive it ... .

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

I asked this same question of Gary Patterson last year before I tracked at summit point for the first time. He told me to do 2 things...


1) Brakes and brake fluid. I used Duralast C-max gold ceramic. A nice pad for road and track. And ATE Super Blue brake fluid. I personally liked this choice because when flushing out the stock fluid there was no doubt when you are done. The blue color is the bomb!

2) Tires! Good tires... Gary clearly stated the best track tire was Hoosier R6's. I mounted them on my stock 2009 500 18" rims. Everyone else with stock tires were sliding and squealing through the corners. Mine stuck like I was on rails in the corners! Unbelievable and in my opinion well worth the purchase. Problem is you have to get them to the track. Not street legal nor would you want to drive them on the road. I put 2 in the trunk and dropped down the back seat and put 2 in the back seat!

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Unfortunately one of the other participants didn't change his brake fluid and lost his brakes and ran into me... :fear:
So my 3rd recommendation would be to get Track insurance.



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Track insurance. That's a great idea Pete :)
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

I asked this same question of Gary Patterson last year before I tracked at summit point for the first time. He told me to do 2 things...


1) Brakes and brake fluid. I used Duralast C-max gold ceramic. A nice pad for road and track. And ATE Super Blue brake fluid. I personally liked this choice because when flushing out the stock fluid there was no doubt when you are done. The blue color is the bomb!


I've used A'te for years, since owning a BMW 3 Series years ago. Even cooler than the "blue" color is the fact that they also offer the EXACT fluid in YELLOW, so when you change fluid, you KNOW it's all out. I alternated between blue and yellow for years, made it simple.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:01 PM

Track insurance. That's a great idea Pete :)


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

Want to have a great time?
Here is what your need to have fun, be fast and be safe!
Track Insurance!

HOOSIER R6 COMPETITION Tire 275/35ZR-18
on Ford Racing 18x9.5" Boss 302S Racing Wheels
Wilwood EXP 600 Brake Fluid
SS Brake Lines
Hawk DTC70 Pads Front and DTC60 Pads Rear
Corbeau Harness Guide Bar
Safety Harnesses
A Good attitude

This setup will provide excetional grip and proper braking performance and safety.
As mentioned above, do not drive on the street with R6 Hoosiers :)

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