TCS or no TCS.... that is the question, advice please from seasoned draggers Options

[BoneDoc]

those of us lucky enough to be getting the GT500 will be the flagbearers for mustang on the street....

after all, this is the most powerful mustang ever built. we all need to be on the top of our games on the street to contnue uphold the reputation that mustang and shelby have built over the years. so I need a little advice.

Most of us do not drag at the 1/4 mile strip on a regular basis....

for those of us who don't... are'nt we generally quicker with TCS on? i used to street drag quite a bit with my 69 Mach I 428SCJ and my '87 5.0 Liter.... didn't lose many, but when i did it was generally a traction issue and not a HP/torque issue. smoking the tires off the line. Too excited and anxious to get down the street in a hurry! The '69 is extremely front heavy which accounts for some of that issue....

questions:

1- is there a "button" in the GT500 that will turn the TCS off/on?
2- do you think the average driver of a GT500 would be quicker with the TCS on or off?

thanks in advance.
I know we have a number of serious racers on this site. looking forward to your comments

[SCGT500]

Good question, but I think most people have been out on vacation lately...not much going on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headscratch.gif)

[ratnacage]

Good question, but I think most people have been out on vacation lately...not much going on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headscratch.gif)

the "average" driver would probably be better off with it on especially on the street, but there is the potential of losing about 1/2 sec if you're really on your game.

[Guest_evilchris_*]

There is a "TCS" button in the center stack on the top right.

I can drive s197's quicker with it off.

Keep in mind too that althought this is the most powerful STOCK Mustang, it is by far not the most powerful stang on the street. There are many 600 RWHP terminators and Fox's out there bearing the rep just fine =)

This post has been edited by evilchris: Jul 16 2006, 09:07 AM

[JETSOLVER]

the "average" driver would probably be better off with it on especially on the street, but there is the potential of losing about 1/2 sec if you're really on your game.

Folks you owe it to your family to find a drag strip on a street legal night or a very quiet street, very far away from ANYBODY else, and you owe it to the reputation of the car to practice. As there is no footage of the car as yet, I present for comparison two video's. The first is a bone stock Stang GT vs a bone stock GT on a strip. Note that even though the stang leaves way first the GT easily reels it in. And note that that is a low 11 second time. Not what you should expect from your car or yourself without some practice AND some parts. 05 Stang GT vs. GT The second should put into perspective any trash talking one wants to engage in. This is illegal(legal disclaimer) but it demonstrates how a well driven car(C6 ZO6 with a tune and a CAI), can pretty handily beat a car which, by the numbers, should handle it easily. Note the numbers on the Z06 folks. That is what the GT500 should make. Ford GT stock vs. C6 Z06 with tune and CAI Please I don't want to debate the production values; I'm just trying to prevent carnage, both to people and street cred.

This post has been edited by JETSOLVER: Jul 16 2006, 09:40 AM

[Guest_evilchris_*]

Folks you owe it to your family to find a drag strip on a street legal night or a very quiet street, very far away from ANYBODY else, and you owe it to the reputation of the car to practice. As there is no footage of the car as yet, I present for comparison two video's. The first is a bone stock Stang GT vs a bone stock GT on a strip. Note that even though the stang leaves way first the GT easily reels it in. And note that that is a low 11 second time. Not what you should expect from your car or yourself without some practice AND some parts. 05 Stang GT vs. GT The second should put into perspective any trash talking one wants to engage in. This is illegal(legal disclaimer) but it demonstrates how a well driven car(C6 ZO6 with a tune and a CAI), can pretty handily beat a car which, by the numbers, should handle it easily. Note the numbers on the Z06 folks. That is what the GT500 should make. Ford GT stock vs. C6 Z06 with tune and CAI Please I don't want to debate the production values; I'm just trying to prevent carnage, both to people and street cred.

The thing here though is, the Z06 and Ford GT are roughly the same weight. A well driven GT500 making the same numbers as a poorly driven C6 Z06 will still result in the Z06 eating it alive after launch. 700 lbs makes a gigantic difference.

[SCGT500]

Folks you owe it to your family to find a drag strip on a street legal night or a very quiet street, very far away from ANYBODY else, and you owe it to the reputation of the car to practice. As there is no footage of the car as yet, I present for comparison two video's. The first is a bone stock Stang GT vs a bone stock GT on a strip. Note that even though the stang leaves way first the GT easily reels it in. And note that that is a low 11 second time. Not what you should expect from your car or yourself without some practice AND some parts. 05 Stang GT vs. GT The second should put into perspective any trash talking one wants to engage in. This is illegal(legal disclaimer) but it demonstrates how a well driven car(C6 ZO6 with a tune and a CAI), can pretty handily beat a car which, by the numbers, should handle it easily. Note the numbers on the Z06 folks. That is what the GT500 should make. Ford GT stock vs. C6 Z06 with tune and CAI Please I don't want to debate the production values; I'm just trying to prevent carnage, both to people and street cred.

What needs to be done to make the GT500 run like the GT in the first video, that was incredible. (and don't tell me lose 700lbs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif) )

[RUFDRAFT]

Like Chris said - it's the most powerful Factory Built Mustang - but not the fastest Mustang on the street.

I'm putting together a Mustang GT that should give you all you want, doc!

Oh - leave your TCS on if you like - I don't need it - and never have. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shift.gif)

And - a big part of the racing dynamic is the driver.

The Z06 and the GT should have done that at the dragstrip.

Time slips settle things - not "let's go on three horn honkings!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy feet.gif)

That shit is for Preludes with Dyson mufflers and NOS.

[kaylan1521]

First and foremost the track is where it's at.

Now, having said that I like every other Mustang owner has taken it through the gears on the street and my experience has been to turn off the TC and practice slipping the clutch and working the throttle together.

[cobra8u]

Like Chris said - it's the most powerful Factory Built Mustang - but not the fastest Mustang on the street.

I'm putting together a Mustang GT that should give you all you want, doc!

Oh - leave your TCS on if you like - I don't need it - and never have. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shift.gif)

And - a big part of the racing dynamic is the driver.

The Z06 and the GT should have done that at the dragstrip.

Time slips settle things - not "let's go on three horn honkings!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy feet.gif)

That shit is for Preludes with Dyson mufflers and NOS.






But, the Shelby IS the most powerful Mustang ever offered from Ford and with a few minor mods will stomp any modded Mustang GT and it will still be a SHELBY, and niether one of us knows the guy with the fastest Mustang on the street.

This post has been edited by cobra8u: Jul 16 2006, 03:49 PM

[wildosvt]

"from a roll" is the most GHEY form of racing! Let the lights tell you when to go.

With reports of the TCS not bogging down the engine, You may be fine with it on. With my 04 Term its switched off when im feeling sausay!

We will only know if wether its good or not til we get our cars (or those who have them beat them up a bit)

[RUFDRAFT]

Stomp?

sure - yeah - you're right - have a great day.

[Guest_evilchris_*]

Stomp any? That's a BAD opinion.

A modded Mustang GT can smoke a modded GT500, just depends on the mods. Anyone who thinks a certain car "can never be beat" is an idiot with no experience in racing. Every car gets beat. I'd wager 90% of the terminators out there are faster than GT500's.

[BoneDoc]

thanks for all the comments. sounds like most experienced drivers turn it off?

I'll have to play with the car a bit when i get it and get the feel. I'm pretty good at modulating power through the clutch... I just get a little excited on the line at times..... call it "premature e-smoke-ulation" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

i realize that GT500 is the most powerful.... but not necessarily the fastest. and i realize that there are a lot of "sleepers" out there with mods. But many people see this car as the car to beat in the new wave of muscle cars....especially with charger and camaro making a run. Ford has set the bar. others will be gunning for us. make no mistake about it.

[Guest_evilchris_*]

thanks for all the comments. sounds like most experienced drivers turn it off?

I'll have to play with the car a bit when i get it and get the feel. I'm pretty good at modulating power through the clutch... I just get a little excited on the line at times..... call it "premature e-smoke-ulation" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

i realize that GT500 is the most powerful.... but not necessarily the fastest. and i realize that there are a lot of "sleepers" out there with mods. But many people see this car as the car to beat in the new wave of muscle cars....especially with charger and camaro making a run. Ford has set the bar. others will be gunning for us. make no mistake about it.

Please remember, Ford set the bar in 2003 with the Terminator Cobra. This is a not a "new" thing. The SRT8 Charger cannot even DREAM of touching a STOCK 03/04 Cobra.

[RUFDRAFT]

"premature e-smoke-ulation" ?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

Time for bed, Doc! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

Toss a couple of Viagras in the tank if you see me in your mirrors. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

[flattusmaximus78]

First off you want your traction control on if you race from a dig... well that atleast goes for the current gt. The current gt has the independent rear suspension so if one tire sits spinning the other one will to. For the gt500 I'm not quite sure.

And I don't agree that the trac is the only way to settle a race. Go from a light not a roll and that tells you what your car has.You want reaction time? Try staging a green light!

Please remember, Ford set the bar in 2003 with the Terminator Cobra. This is a not a "new" thing. The SRT8 Charger cannot even DREAM of touching a STOCK 03/04 Cobra.

Damn straight! Even if the charger has the extra 35 horse's. Same for the gto.

[Guest_evilchris_*]

First off you want your traction control on if you race from a dig... well that atleast goes for the current gt. The current gt has the independent rear suspension so if one tire sits spinning the other one will to. For the gt500 I'm not quite sure.

The Mustang GT doesn't have IRS, it has a live rear axle like the GT500.

[mach1fever]

Well until you get a feel for the car go with the tcs. It is a lot less restrictive than the past versions where you have to turn it off to turn a decent time. Evan got a 12.2 without it and 12.60's the two times he ran with it on. Its a much improved system and until you get really comfortable would run with it on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Oh and post a video of your hijinks please.

Roger

[wildosvt]

The Mustang GT doesn't have IRS, it has a live rear axle like the GT500.

He was speaking of the Ford GT.

And a STOCK Term wont handle a STOCK GT500.

You know a topic has gone to hell when we start comparing mod'ed vs. stock cars..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/doh.gif)


A mod'ed GT500 will EAT a Ford GT! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)