[GT500-07]

If a GT350/GT350R is in the works for 2010MY, here's a few ideas to consider. The GT350 as the base car and the GT350R as the 45th Anniversary package from SAI.

A lighter build
4.6 or 5.0 motor (Super Charged or Turbo/TT)
Optional Griggs Suspension/brakes
17"/18" wheels (FR500 runs 18X10's all 4 corners)
Rally style hood that extracts more heat
Complete rear seat delete option
Roll Bar option
Funtional side scoops to bring air in the rear wheels/brakes
Front brake ducts

[bull]

GT500-07, on Jun 5 2008, 07:24 AM, said:

If a GT350/GT350R is in the works for 2010MY, here's a few ideas to consider. The GT350 as the base car and the GT350R as the 45th Anniversary package from SAI.

A lighter build
4.6 or 5.0 motor (Super Charged or Turbo/TT)
Optional Griggs Suspension/brakes
17"/18" wheels (FR500 runs 18X10's all 4 corners)
Rally style hood that extracts more heat
Complete rear seat delete option
Roll Bar option
Funtional side scoops to bring air in the rear wheels/brakes
Front brake ducts

would be great but absolutly no 4.6L in a shelby

[GT500-07]

Roush did a nice job with the 4.6
http://www.supercars.../cars/3958.html

[crispy23c]

GT500-07, on Jun 5 2008, 08:24 AM, said:

If a GT350/GT350R is in the works for 2010MY, here's a few ideas to consider. The GT350 as the base car and the GT350R as the 45th Anniversary package from SAI.

A lighter build
4.6 or 5.0 motor (Super Charged or Turbo/TT)
Optional Griggs Suspension/brakes
17"/18" wheels (FR500 runs 18X10's all 4 corners)
Rally style hood that extracts more heat
Complete rear seat delete option
Roll Bar option
Funtional side scoops to bring air in the rear wheels/brakes
Front brake ducts

How about cooling ducts from other spots (ie, under frame like the Super Snake)? Scoops have problems inherent in their design-- they catch stuff, collect debris in the hose, etc. I had a '67 350, and I saw these issues first-hand, even with a drainage tube running out the bottom...which you needed to clear out too.
Granted, it's a nod to the past, but there are other ways of cooling the brakes that are less problematic.
Heat extraction on an 'R' model would be great, imo, as well as the rear seat delete.....

[ilmor]

All nice ideas, but I don't see how they can do all this and price it for less than a GT500. It will be interesting to see if and how it comes out.

This post has been edited by ilmor: 22 July 2008 - 09:03 AM

[GT500-07]

Ford/SVT would build the GT350, then SAI would offer the upfit package. One would think the cost would be between the SGT and GT500

[tpow96]

I also agree... all great suggestions. Except I expect that the supercharger to be
part of an upgrade SAI would offer on top of the base GT350. Any R version would
not have it, since every race series I could see them want to get approved by
(SCCA T2, NASA AI, GRAND-AM GS) would not allow it.

As for cost, has there been confirmation of a GT500 for MY2010+? I've always
thought of the GT350 as its SVT/SAI replacement.

I've also read rumors of a possible IRS option in the future Mustang platform, but
I can't find that source anymore. Makes sense if Ford wants to market the BOSS to
live axle quarter-mile folk, and the GT350 to track folk. After all, early Shelby Mustangs
were known more for their handling than major power upgrades.

-Tom

This post has been edited by tpow96: 23 July 2008 - 03:23 AM

[GT-350]

My "perfect" GT-350 would be...

Normally 5.4L Aspirated Aluminum Bock with 400 HP and 400 lbs of torque

Tremec 6-speed with a performance shifter

Big Brakes with the ducts and hoses in the truck (for the track guys)

Air-to-oil power steering fluid cooler

High capacity cooling system

Auxiliary engine oil coler

A performance suspension with adjustable shocks (Similar to current Shebly GT’s not the Bullet)

A cloth interior bolstered like the GT500

The GT500 steering wheel

No NAV

The base radio

No “fancy” dash stuff

This would be the fun car not a bloated 4000 lb car.......

[bull]

GT-350, on Jul 31 2008, 09:42 PM, said:

My "perfect" GT-350 would be...

Normally 5.4L Aspirated Aluminum Bock with 400 HP and 400 lbs of torque

Tremec 6-speed with a performance shifter

Big Brakes with the ducts and hoses in the truck (for the track guys)

Air-to-oil power steering fluid cooler

High capacity cooling system

Auxiliary engine oil coler

A performance suspension with adjustable shocks (Similar to current Shebly GT’s not the Bullet)

A cloth interior bolstered like the GT500

The GT500 steering wheel

No NAV

The base radio

No “fancy” dash stuff

This would be the fun car not a bloated 4000 lb car.......

i agree..just go with the 5.0L..my problem is i have doubts ford and sai are willing to supply the market with such a car..

[crispy23c]

bull, on Aug 1 2008, 10:05 AM, said:

i agree..just go with the 5.0L..my problem is i have doubts ford and sai are willing to supply the market with such a car..

Bull,
it's just not quite as easy as you might think. If we build a GT350, it's not if we would be willing, but is it feasible to build, at a price that is reasonable?
There are many,many other things to consider-- like performance/cost/buildability/reliability/safety/emissions, etc, etc, etc, etc, and we don't ever want to build junk either.
It's just not as easy as you may think. On top of that it has to look, sound and perform like a Shelby.
So if the car came in at $98,000 and had everything everyone wanted, I am pretty sure that just about everyone would be mad at the price.
On the other hand., if it came in at $35,000 and had nothing anyyone wanted I am also pretty sure people would be upset about the content.
AND--if we built a race car, emissions would not be an issue, but safety would. And what about those who want a street version because they would never race???
So I hope you understand a little better, it's not simply a matter of will. It has to make sense to build a GT350-- or any other car that we would put the Shelby badge on.
I hope this helps give you some perspective as to what we look at when we even think about building any car we would call a "Shelby".

Chris

[bull]

crispy23c, on Aug 3 2008, 06:52 AM, said:

Bull,
it's just not quite as easy as you might think. If we build a GT350, it's not if we would be willing, but is it feasible to build, at a price that is reasonable?
There are many,many other things to consider-- like performance/cost/buildability/reliability/safety/emissions, etc, etc, etc, etc, and we don't ever want to build junk either.
It's just not as easy as you may think. On top of that it has to look, sound and perform like a Shelby.
So if the car came in at $98,000 and had everything everyone wanted, I am pretty sure that just about everyone would be mad at the price.
On the other hand., if it came in at $35,000 and had nothing anyyone wanted I am also pretty sure people would be upset about the content.
AND--if we built a race car, emissions would not be an issue, but safety would. And what about those who want a street version because they would never race???
So I hope you understand a little better, it's not simply a matter of will. It has to make sense to build a GT350-- or any other car that we would put the Shelby badge on.
I hope this helps give you some perspective as to what we look at when we even think about building any car we would call a "Shelby".

Chris

fair enuff..if it is not available ill just look elsewhere...

[Secondo]

bull, on Aug 3 2008, 06:33 PM, said:

fair enuff..if it is not available ill just look elsewhere...

Cris, some people can never be happy. You give us great Shelby vehicles available to us today and this guy still complains.

[Secondo]

GT-350, on Jul 31 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

My "perfect" GT-350 would be...

Normally 5.4L Aspirated Aluminum Bock with 400 HP and 400 lbs of torque

Tremec 6-speed with a performance shifter

Big Brakes with the ducts and hoses in the truck (for the track guys)

Air-to-oil power steering fluid cooler

High capacity cooling system

Auxiliary engine oil coler

A performance suspension with adjustable shocks (Similar to current Shebly GT's not the Bullet)

A cloth interior bolstered like the GT500

The GT500 steering wheel

No NAV

The base radio

No "fancy" dash stuff

This would be the fun car not a bloated 4000 lb car.......

I think you're referring to a new Challenger, not a GT500? Have you driven one? Doesn't feel "bloated" to me.

You want a Mustang race car? Look no further. New, direct from Ford, just like a GT350 at Ford Racing, see the FR500C or FR500GT Mustangs for sale.

[crispy23c]

bull, on Aug 3 2008, 06:33 PM, said:

fair enuff..if it is not available ill just look elsewhere...

That's entirely your choice. Cars of caliber take time to develop and test, it's not a microwave item.
If we do ever introduce a GT350, it will be a killer, and if you choose to go elsewhere it would be your loss.

secondo, on Aug 3 2008, 10:17 PM, said:

Cris, some people can never be happy. You give us great Shelby vehicles available to us today and this guy still complains.

That's okay, I never expect to make everyone happy all the time. Like I always say, good things come to those who wait!
Hope you and SS are doing well, maybe I will see you both again at Tasca day on Sept 6th?
Chris

[bull]

crispy23c, on Aug 4 2008, 05:33 AM, said:

That's entirely your choice. Cars of caliber take time to develop and test, it's not a microwave item.
If we do ever introduce a GT350, it will be a killer, and if you choose to go elsewhere it would be your loss.



That's okay, I never expect to make everyone happy all the time. Like I always say, good things come to those who wait!
Hope you and SS are doing well, maybe I will see you both again at Tasca day on Sept 6th?
Chris

again fair enuff..and i am out here waiting..prove me wrong

[svttim]

I would still like to see an R model. I race (ok, high speed touring) my 97 Cobra and I have put plenty of cash in it. I would love to have a Shelby under me! I dont need another street car and If I did, I would go for the current SGT

[AFBLUE]

I can understand the price issue. As discussed before there isn't a lot of wiggle room between the MSRP of a Shelby GT and a GT 500... I'm assuming a GT 350 would be priced between the two. If so then it's gotta have more than 320hp and less than 500hp at the crank, with 410 hp would be the middle point between the two.

One option might be to supercharge the next generation V6. The Terlingua gets mid 375 hp out of the old 4.0. So 400+ should be within the realm of possibility for the next gen V6. Another plus is that it would be lighter too.

[GT-350]

secondo, on Aug 3 2008, 10:27 PM, said:

I think you're referring to a new Challenger, not a GT500? Have you driven one? Doesn't feel "bloated" to me.

You want a Mustang race car? Look no further. New, direct from Ford, just like a GT350 at Ford Racing, see the FR500C or FR500GT Mustangs for sale.

From "AUTO BLOG "The downside of the new block is a significant weight penalty. The GT500 carries about 550 lbs more mass than a regular GT, with most of it over the front axle. Of course, not all of that is due to the engine. Some comes from additional equipment installed in the Shelby. The GT500 weighs in at a porky 3,920 pounds with the balance shifting from the GT's 54/46 to a more nose heavy 57/43."

You are right I used the wrong words it's not "bloated" just nose heavy (3920 vs 4000lbs). With an aluminum block and no supercharger the fictional “G.T. 350” some of us would like, “could be more balanced” than the current GT500. Just like the G.T. 350’s back in the 60’s.

My car sees about 75% of it's use on the track along with a bunch of guys who had SN95/New Edge Cobras and Mustangs but traded up to SN197's because of the better platform and vehicle dynamics.

Yes I did get to drive the GT500 down at Brandon Ford and I did a couple of hot laps at the track....the power is intoxicating......but I still like my car’s crisp turn-in and more neutral handling. I could do a bunch of suspension tuning but with prices 10K over MSRP, I'm turned off. Additionally of the five or six GT500’s I’ve seen during open track days they all had overheating problems (after about 20 minutes at 8/10ths - 9/10ths the cars went down on power and the owners had to run a lap or two at 5/10ths before they could run hard again), but it was about 95-98 degrees with very high humidity.

The FORD/Shelby/Boss I was describing could be built, just don't limit the car. That puts all the speculators in the game to make a buck. I want, no there are many folks who wish for a FORD/Shelby/Boss in the 35-40K range without the mark-ups as described above that isn't as "nose heavy". The Shelby GT is such a car but for the price I believe it's a little down on power. That 's my opinion and there maybe a lot of folks on the board that may want to string me up for saying that.

Shelby only built 26 of the G.T. 350Rs as the are called today the rest were street legal go fast cars.....

Now back on earth; as far as a full race FR500C or FR500S if you’re willing to spot me the money I’ll gladly take on the duty of being your man in the cockpit………….They just don’t pay folks in the military quite that well.

I've attached a photo of my car (one of none) and I don't have 29K in it. I couldn't get into a Shelby GT for that and I'm not going into debt just to get a new Mustang until I see the car I want.

So I will keep dreaming of a G.T. 350 with all the goods for open tracking straight from the factory.

"unlike car racing, golf, football, and soccer only require one ball"





"unlike car racing, golf, football, and soccer only require one ball"

[AFBLUE]

GT-350, hold out for the GT 350. You already have the perfect username.

[bull]

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GT-350, hold out for the GT 350. You already have the perfect username.
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i see no reason for ford not to build the gt350 alongside the gt500 at AAI...if sai cannot or wont then i hope ford just does...ive been in 428 CJ (gt500) when not to far from new..personally the gt350 was by far the better ride (67 onward)...