[Monsoon]

Back in the late 80's, some guy was selling sports cars that used the 2.2 liter turbo motors that
went in the GLHS cars. The cars had a similar design as the Acura NSX.
Does anyone remember the name/brand that the cars sold under?

[Monsoon]

Hey, for anyone who might have been curious about this, I did a google image
search and found the answer.
It was the Consulier GTP.

I seem to recall that it could outrun a Corvette. Very light weight, and
used all Chrysler components.

http://www.allpar.co...sulier-gtp.html

[svttim]

Now that is an usgly car! Fast, but ugly

[stump_breaker]

WOW! Looks like a submarine humped the car from "The Wraith" (Dodge PPG)

[Monsoon]

stump_breaker, on Sep 11 2008, 10:03 AM, said:

WOW! Looks like a submarine humped the car from "The Wraith" (Dodge PPG)

The one in the pic is a 1985 though. That's 23 years old now.

Looked pretty awesome back then. If I remember correctly, those cars came
with all Chrysler backed components, even down to the power windows.

And Mosler has made some pretty amazing cars since. Those Consuliers could
wind up being collectors items if Mosler keeps at it.

[shelbymotorsports]

Monsoon, Welocme to Team Shelby. Glad you found us.

Very few of those Consulier GTP's were built. They used a T-II motor. The engines were stock but I think the computer was a high performance version that up'd the hp to around 200. Someone sold the leftover engines on ebay a few years back.

IIRC there was always problems with the company and I want to say some company officers were locked out of the building at one point by some investors or business partners. It was some sort of drama that drew accusations of fraud and I want to say this is when the GTP went out of production.

Steve

[StokedShelbyOwner]

IIRC Mosler used to have a standing offer of $10,000. if anyone could roll up in a street legal car and beat his Consulier's on the track. Hard to imagine how fast they *could* have been with another 200 HP. 400 WHP is not that hard to achieve with today's turbochargers/intercoolers etc on the 2.2 motors


Alan

[86glhs76]

StokedShelbyOwner, on Sep 11 2008, 08:46 PM, said:

IIRC Mosler used to have a standing offer of $10,000. if anyone could roll up in a street legal car and beat his Consulier's on the track. Hard to imagine how fast they *could* have been with another 200 HP. 400 WHP is not that hard to achieve with today's turbochargers/intercoolers etc on the 2.2 motors


Alan

I read they ran the T3 engines just before swapping to the SBC in them. Any one have a photo of the finally years?

[shelbymotorsports]

StokedShelbyOwner, on Sep 11 2008, 08:46 PM, said:

IIRC Mosler used to have a standing offer of $10,000. if anyone could roll up in a street legal car and beat his Consulier's on the track.

The offer was $25,000 with the T-II Daytona drivetrain. The offer went up to $100,000 with the Shelby massaged T-III drivetrain.

I'm not positive but I don't think they sold any T-III cars.

I'll see what I can dig up on this.

Steve

[shelbymotorsports]

Scan of the Consulier brochure and a small article on the prize money. IIRC the Consulier was beaten at least once and the factory didn't pay up saying that the Consulier was worn out and no longer factory fresh, not those exact words but something like that.

Steve

This post has been edited by shelbymotorsports: 16 September 2008 - 08:52 AM

[shelbymotorsports]

Found some info on the web about the Consulier losing the challenge and that low sales went down to zero sales.

Steve

In an independent competition that Car and Driver staged, using its
own drivers at the Chrysler proving ground in Chelsea, Michigan, a
manual 1991 Corvette turned a lap 1.5 seconds quicker than a
Consulier GTP Sport.

Mosler was livid. He insisted that the Consulier C/D tested was a
much-abused and out-of-tune '88 R&D model that did not represent
his current lineup. (Perhaps so, but we acquired it through the
company that manages test fleets for several car companies.)
"Worse," he says, "AutoWeek implied I was a con man. Customers
called wanting their money back. Sales died. Just went flat."

At the time of the Sebring challenge, Mosler says he had sold or
leased nearly 75 cars. In the succeeding years, he has sold, on
average, only three annually. "In fact, I can't remember the last
one," he says.

[sdac guy]

There was a guy here in Michigan that had one. He brought it to SDAC-10 and also ran it in the One Lap of America competition for a year or two about that time. I've lost track of the guy and don't know if he still has the car or not.

Mosler brought a couple cars to the same OLA events. One was the Twin-Star dual engined Cadillac Eldorado, and the other was a Mosler Raptor which was a forerunner of his current MT900 series car. The Raptor (and Consulier) had done so good at previous OLA events that they were banned from competing and the Raptor was entered as an exhibition only vehicle.

A story about Warren Mosler .... For a couple years SDAC organized the corner workers for the OLA and this is when I saw the Raptor. I was with the locals at Michigan Speedway working a corner in the back half. We had torrential rains earlier that weekend which left a puddle about 6-8 inches deep and about 30 feet long on a small straight just before going back onto the track's oval. Every car was just idling as it went through that puddle, not wanting to damage or stall the vehicle. But when Mosler came by in the Raptor we saw a dual wall of water go out from the sides of the car as he flew through the puddle. I think he nearly cleared all the water out of there as the splash must have gone over 15 feet in the air. It was quite a sight to see.

Even though he was not competing and on an exhibition run, we felt he certainly had the spirit of the event nailed.

[shelbymotorsports]

A little more info on the T-II powered Sports Car.

Steve

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[sdac guy]

Good article!!

Thanks Steve.

[shelbymotorsports]

sdac guy, on Mar 20 2009, 11:46 AM, said:

Good article!!

Thanks Steve.

Barry

That GTP is growing on me. I keep dreaming on what it must be like with the 225+ hp T-III motor. For the Ford enthusiasts keep in mind that the 225 hp is from a FOUR CYLINDER motor in a fiberglass car weighing under 2000 pounds.

But then again it also must be an E ticket ride with the Vette motor's torque.

Steve

[sdac guy]

shelbymotorsports, on Mar 20 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Barry

That GTP is growing on me. I keep dreaming on what it must be like with the 225+ hp T-III motor. For the Ford enthusiasts keep in mind that the 225 hp is from a FOUR CYLINDER motor in a fiberglass car weighing under 2000 pounds.

But then again it also must be an E ticket ride with the Vette motor's torque.

Steve

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind too as I read the article. That was the first time I ever heard that Mosler even considered the T-III motor. If it was quick with only 175 hp (and it was), then with another 50 it would have really been something to 'hang on' in.

With the higher revving of the 16v valve train and the wider powerband, 160-170 moh may well have been achievable as top end.

[greaser]

the all red one doesnt look all that bad would roll in it look at how we drool over an omni. lol

[86glhs76]

the red one looks good, the muilti colored cars look horrid. But 80's style I suppose.

[shelbymotorsports]

sdac guy, on Mar 21 2009, 03:39 AM, said:

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind too as I read the article. That was the first time I ever heard that Mosler even considered the T-III motor. If it was quick with only 175 hp (and it was), then with another 50 it would have really been something to 'hang on' in.

With the higher revving of the 16v valve train and the wider powerband, 160-170 moh may well have been achievable as top end.

The Whittier plant did a little work with Mosler but I never got the hard facts on what they did. My best guess it was limited to tuning as Mosler wanted to keep the factory Chrysler warranty on the drivetrain.

Can you imagine the look on the service writers face when one of these cars were brought into the local Dodge dealership?

Steve