[AZAlloy]

Hello guys n gals. First off, let me say hello to everyone here. This is my first post on these forums, and have been driected here by staff at Shelby Autos.

My goal is to have an offically licensed Shelby Mustang. In Aug of 2007, I got back from the military and needed a car. I looked everywhere, and at the end of the model year, was unable to find any Shelby GT's of GT500s. So, needing a car, I purchased a 2007 GT Premium 5-spd. Since then, I have been envious and starry-eyed at Shelby owners. I want a real one. I have spent several thousands of dollars in converting my car into a Shelby Clone. But I am not happy, and feel like I am driving a lie. This is a real problem for me, as I have a gorgeous car (I think) and am no pleased with it. I can never lie when someone asks me if it is a real Shelby, and I usually give them a history on the car, and loose their attention.

I have talked to Roger S. at the Shelby Registery, who has been more than kind. It seems the only way to mae a non-Shelby a Shelby, is through a CS package (CS-8). Here is the problem. I have done SO much as this point, I only want to re-do what is neccessary, and hopefully reclaim some of my losses. Here is some info and pics on the car.

2007 Mustang GT Premium 5 Speed
-FRPP Whipple H/O supercharger system with I/C
-FRPP Stinger Mufflers
-Bassani catted X-pipe
-FRPP lowering springs
-FRPP 07 SVT Brembo 14” brake upgrade kit w/ stainless lines
-Centerforce DF clutch upgrade
-20” x 9” Shelby Razor wheels (gunmetal)
-Hurst short shifter
-Complete GT500 front end conversion w/ KR hood
-Cobra style rear bumper cover
-GT500 Rear deck spoiler
-Cobra snake emblems (fenders and trunk)
-Sequential tail lights & other misc shelby interior parts.





As you can see, a lot of work. I just need to figure out what I have to change at this point. Guys, I need help. You are the experts.

Thanks, Matt

[shelbymotorsports]

AZAlloy, on Dec 1 2008, 04:16 PM, said:

Hello guys n gals. First off, let me say hello to everyone here. This is my first post on these forums, and have been driected here by staff at Shelby Autos.

My goal is to have an offically licensed Shelby Mustang. In Aug of 2007, I got back from the military and needed a car. I looked everywhere, and at the end of the model year, was unable to find any Shelby GT's of GT500s. So, needing a car, I purchased a 2007 GT Premium 5-spd. Since then, I have been envious and starry-eyed at Shelby owners. I want a real one. I have spent several thousands of dollars in converting my car into a Shelby Clone. But I am not happy, and feel like I am driving a lie. This is a real problem for me, as I have a gorgeous car (I think) and am no pleased with it. I can never lie when someone asks me if it is a real Shelby, and I usually give them a history on the car, and loose their attention.

I have talked to Roger S. at the Shelby Registery, who has been more than kind. It seems the only way to mae a non-Shelby a Shelby, is through a CS package (CS-8). Here is the problem. I have done SO much as this point, I only want to re-do what is neccessary, and hopefully reclaim some of my losses. Here is some info and pics on the car.

2007 Mustang GT Premium 5 Speed
-FRPP Whipple H/O supercharger system with I/C
-FRPP Stinger Mufflers
-Bassani catted X-pipe
-FRPP lowering springs
-FRPP 07 SVT Brembo 14” brake upgrade kit w/ stainless lines
-Centerforce DF clutch upgrade
-20” x 9” Shelby Razor wheels (gunmetal)
-Hurst short shifter
-Complete GT500 front end conversion w/ KR hood
-Cobra style rear bumper cover
-GT500 Rear deck spoiler
-Cobra snake emblems (fenders and trunk)
-Sequential tail lights & other misc shelby interior parts.


As you can see, a lot of work. I just need to figure out what I have to change at this point. Guys, I need help. You are the experts.

Thanks, Matt

Hi Matt. Welcome to Team Shelby.

First off let me say WOW!!! Your car looks great and you should be proud of the hard work you've done so far but I see your delima. You've changed so many parts already that adding a CS package will be redoing a bunch of stuff.

If the economy was better I would say sell your current GT Mustang and buy a Shelby but right now that probably would be a big money losing idea. You will also be losing some money with the CS conversion because of the parts you've already added to the car.

Boy you are in a pickle. Lets see what others have to say.

Steve

This post has been edited by shelbymotorsports: 01 December 2008 - 05:36 PM

[ilmor]

Wow, that's such a good job, its too bad that Carroll Shelby can't just attach a couple of Shelby plates on the car, sign it and bless it as a Shelby for ya!

[dave c]

Drive the car you have, save your money and buy a Shelby at a later date. There isn't a new Shelby made that isn't going to go down in value. In your case you're going to lose on both ends. I don't care what anybody tells you, how many where made, you're going to lose money on it. I think you'd be surprised how low these used cars will be in the future. The economy will only get worse before it gets better.

Shelby will have new models of cars to come in the future, I don't think Shelby is going out of business any time soon.

Save your money, who knows what the future will bring. But hay, if you got the money, spend away.

Good luck

[shelby001]

Wow I don`t think there isn`t anything you can do or should do to this car its very nice the way it is. The problem is you want a Shelby so you either trade or sell this one & buy a NEW K.R or a Shelby G.T 500 & have it SS`d . The third option is to keep your other car & if you can swing It & go with a new Shelby. This is not good a time to sell but a darn good time to buy. Good Luck . Oh Welcome to the site.

This post has been edited by shelby001: 01 December 2008 - 06:30 PM

[Aussie67]

shelby001, on Dec 1 2008, 09:09 PM, said:

Wow I don`t think there is anything you can do or should do to this car its very nice the way it is. The problem is you want a Shelby so you either trade or sell this one & buy a NEW K.R or a Shelby G.T 500 & have it SS`d . The third option is to keep your other car & if you can swing It & go with a new Shelby. This is not good a time to sell but a darn good time to buy. Good Luck . Oh Welcome to the site.

+1

[Paleoc]

Wow

As I see it you have 4 choices:

Keep the car and be happy with it.
Keep the car and save up for a future Shelby (there will be more)
Sell the car and buy a 2008 Shelby GT
Convert the existing car into a CS-8

Let's discuss the last two options:
SGT Option
Currently there are several dealers with 2008 Shelby GT's gathering dust on their lots. Some of these dealers are selling them with substantial markdowns. If you kept some/most of your stock parts which were removed in the conversion you did, you could easily pull some of the upgraded parts and install them on the SGT.
Items which be easily pulled and installed:
Mufflers
Brake upgrade
Wheels
Sequential Tail Lights
Decorative parts
Pulling the supercharger would be more of a job but you could swap intakes and tunes on the cars
The clutch could also be done with work. Ditto with some of the suspension parts.
The remaining exhaust and suspension upgrades probably would only result in minor improvements and probably best left on the original car.
Once you are done swapping parts, pull the Shelby and Cobra emblems and sell the car as an appearance package.
Throw in the removed emblems if the new owner wants them. There would be probably be a financial hit on the sale of the car and the purchase of a new car.

CS-8 Option:
This will save the cost of purchasing a new car and removing/reinstalling some parts:
I would recommend the purchase of a turn-1 kit to save on cost since you already have a supercharger.
Leave the supercharger, clutch, shifter, wheels, tail lights, rear fascia, spoiler and decorative items on.
Install the Eibach suspension. Exhaust is your decision. Sell which ever one is left over.
You will have no problem unloading the extra brand new wheels. The hood is sellable.
I would swap out the Brembos for the Baer which are somewhat better brakes. Plus the Baer have Shelby lettering. Leave the stainless steel brake lines on.
You're going to have to reinstall the original GT grill and add the CS hood, front fascia, radiator cover, hood pins and side scoops.
This option will give you a Shelby with the least amount of work as a lot of the stuff can be left on. If you have the work done at one of the authorized shops, you can even get an officially badged one. Even if you don't, you'll still get a dash plaque and have a genuine Shelby. The still will be a financial hit in the kit purchase and labor (if you don't do the work yourself). Selling the parts will recoup a percentage of the damage.

[tispco]

AZAlloy --

I can completely relate. I have an '07 GT vert. I wanted a GT 500 vert, but at the time, they were $52k + $20k ADM and I could not afford it. I like my GT and it is has been modded to be very similar to an SGT 'vert, but as you say, it is not a Shelby. After going to the Shelby Birthday Bash in Jan, Dearborn in Sept, and meeting a lot of great people, including Carroll, I have the bug bad and I really want a real Shelby too. I don't have a great answer. I am trying to be satisfied with what I have, because it is a really nice Mustang, but that does not seem to cut it.

1. Selling your GT -- The market is absolutely terrible right now and it will be very difficult to sell. Also, I doubt you will get a lot of $$ for the modifications. If you decide to sell and have the stock parts, I would convert it back to stock and sell the parts.

2. Buy an SGT -- A lot of your parts would bolt up to an SGT and make it a better Shelby - supercharger, brakes, wheels, etc. Last week there was a white '07 SGT on eBay with 255 miles for $28,800. The downside is it would be a LOT of work to swap parts, especially the supercharger.

3.Buy a GT 500 --- a lot of $$ and if you don't buy a brand new one, you will need to go through the hassle of the clutch TSB and many of the parts on your Mustang will not swap over. Of course, it would have to be Alloy so you could swap that hood!!

4. Converting to a CS8. You could do this two ways, BUT given how far you have gone to build a Mustang that looks just like a Shelby (and are not happy with it), I strongly suggest you ONLY do this if you buy and install the complete CS8 Turn 1 kit. IMO if you just add the missing parts -- mainly the side scoops, hood, and front fascia, you will have the exact same thing you currently have except it will be a replica CS8 instead of a replica KR. You need to buy the entire Turn One kit and get the dash plaque and side stripes to make it official. I would swap out the brakes and exhaust with the CS8 pieces, sell the wheels and springs from the kit along with the GT 500 parts from your GT to offset the price of the kit. A couple other notes -- The CS8 conversions do NOT have CSM numbers like many of the Shelby cars and on the technical side, the CS6/CS8 hood will not clear your supercharger pulley. I think the underside can be notched to make it fit though.

5. I have heard a faint rumor that SAI might offer a post title conversion package for the GT's in late '09 or '10. I really think they should!! It is the only '05 - '09 Mustang they do not offer a post title package for. While I understand they built a lot of SGT's, I think there are a lot of GT owners who would be interested.

Attached are some pics I thought might be useful. One is an Alloy CS8 and the other is a pic of the dash plaque. Please let us know what you decide to do!!

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[08SGT1977]

Unfortunately I cannot see the pictures (only little white boxes with red x's) due to a firewall policy. Based on the responses and the description, it sounds like you have built a beautiful and powerful tribute car. You are not "lying" if you are not trying to pass off your car as a genuine Shelby or falsifying VIN numbers, etc. If you are "lying" so are thousands of owners of Cobra kit cars and Shelby tribute mustangs that cover the pages of the numerous hot rod magazines. That's my 2 cents on it.

[AZAlloy]

Wow is what I must say in return! You guys have done an excellent job in replying and trying to help me out.

That picture of the Alloy CS is gorgeous. As I look at it, I have to notice it is running Brembos and wheels other-than Shelby Razors. With that being said, there MUST be a way to make a CS8 without having ALL the exact parts.

If I were to do this, I think the only logical (all-be-it not very much) path would be to modify mine into a CS8. I would end up losing my KR front end, but I could keep the rest of the car. Besides, I have wanted to upgrade suspension for some time now. I used to have the FR-3 handling pack, but found it to be way too stiff with 20" rubber. So I replaced the stock sways and struts. It sounds like the CS8 uses Eibach, which I have always loved. So that I could live with. The brakes...I actually wanted the Baers, but found a great deal on my kit, so I opted for the Brembos.

So I guess the question is, how bad do I really want this? I wish there was a simpler way. (yea, I should have just waited and bought a SGT)

Decisions decisions.

You all have gorgeous cars, BTW. I am still starry-eyed.

-Matt

PS: How is this a CS8? If Shelby will only recognize the CS8 as authentic with the full check list, what happned here? I don't see how this is any more a shelby than mine...
http://cgi.ebay.com/...5fCarsQ5fTrucks

I'm lost.

This post has been edited by AZAlloy: 02 December 2008 - 03:59 AM

[07SGT4578]

AZAlloy, on Dec 2 2008, 07:40 AM, said:

PS: How is this a CS8? If Shelby will only recognize the CS8 as authentic with the full check list, what happned here? I don't see how this is any more a shelby than mine...
http://cgi.ebay.com/...5fCarsQ5fTrucks

I'm lost.

Roger, is this a true CS8, the side badging looks as if its off a 60's car?

[tispco]

AZAlloy, on Dec 2 2008, 06:40 AM, said:

PS: How is this a CS8? If Shelby will only recognize the CS8 as authentic with the full check list, what happned here? I don't see how this is any more a shelby than mine...
http://cgi.ebay.com/...5fCarsQ5fTrucks

I'm lost.

I think that is the big question with the CS6 and CS8. It is a kit you can install on a V6 or GT any way you want that is why there is no CSM# and no entry in the Shelby Registry. Also, with the exception of the side stripes and the dash badge, all of the CS6 / CS8 parts are available separately. The kit and parts are designed to let you add a little or a lot of Shelby to your Mustang. So, if you want the most Shelby in your GT, you would purchase a Turn 1 or Turn 2 Kit and have SAI or a SAI mod shop install ALL the parts as Carroll and SAI envisioned it. Then the challenge would be to leave it that way! As for the Mustang above vs. your Mustang, they both have some Shelby in them and in many ways are the same thing. IMO, the big difference is you have a replica of another Shelby model and the Mustang above is heavily modified and one of those modifications is a CS8 Turn1 Kit. Just to confuse things some more, I think this particular Mustang was in the Shelby Annual last year as a CS8 and I believe SAI did some of the work on it. Hope that is useful.

[AZAlloy]

So you can have a dash plaque by buying the kit, and doing whatever you want with the parts.

OR you can have a CSM serial number and cert of auth. if you buy the kit, have it installed properly and inspected by Shelby Autos.

I think I will just leave mine alone and enjoy what I have. I love the GT500 front end, and I don't think I can part with it.

[H0050]

I wanted a 1966 Hertz Shelby. A real one was not an option due to the price. I almost bought a clone. An exceptional one. When I found my 2006 GTH and it being # 50 as I was buying this car for my 50th B-D, I was sold. So I know the feeling about tribute cars vs the real thing.

Your tribute is very nice. Based on options today, I would do the CS 8. They are rare. I have not seen many and I think you would have a great start. Just my 2-cents. Good luck.

[AZAlloy]

Wow. this gets more difficult the longer I think about it. The only way I could do it. is to offset the price by selling my entire front end conversion, the new shelby razor wheels, and the exhaust and other small parts i already have. I am a little weary about the baer brakes over my brembos. my brembos are 4 piston calipers, where the baers are only 2, like the factort calipers.

I really do like the CS8 side stripes, and coincidentally enough, I almost did this hood and front clip instead of the GT500 stuff. Had I known this. i would have done that in the first place.

-Matt

[SGT-C0056]

Hi guys,

I dont know much about the CS 6 or 8. Are these cars true Shelby's if you get them converted by Shelby? does nayone know the production numbers or how this works. I would like to purchase a GT 500 (if i can convince the wife) I already have a 66 GT fastback, a 70 Mach 1 and a 67 Convertible, so I think one or teo might have to go.

What do you suggest, especially for the future should i get or invest in.

Louis

As you se below, I purchased a SGT-C in December

This post has been edited by louiszamudio: 18 February 2009 - 04:39 PM

[08SGT1977]

louiszamudio, on Dec 9 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

Hi guys,

I dont know much about the CS 6 or 8. Are these cars true Shelby's if you get them converted by Shelby? does nayone know the production numbers or how this works. I would like to purchase a GT 500 (if i can convince the wife) I already have a 66 GT fastback, a 70 Mach 1 and a 67 Convertible, so I think one or teo might have to go.

What do you suggest, especially for the future should i get or invest in.

Louis

"...the CS 6 is destined to be the next great sports car from Shelby Automobiles..."

Louis,

The CS 6 and CS 8 are genuine Shelby automobiles however they are not entered into the registry. If one purchases all the CS 6 or CS 8 parts as a complete package they will get a dash plaque. There is more information on the Shelby web site here:

http://shelbyautos.com/cs6.asp

Erich

[08SGT1977]

double post

This post has been edited by 08SGT1977: 10 December 2008 - 03:41 AM

[Rarecat]

First off, your car is a beauty, enjoy what you've built!

I'm going to be direct in my response and try to ensure you get a clear picture....

On a modern mustang, the name Shelby can had in quite a few different forms, but when you try to qualify it with the word "Real", that's where things get a little grey.... or maybe alot grey....but most people would agree that a real Shelby is one that is recognized in the official registry, a purist would likely demand a CSM number for "real" status (The CSM number would indicate that it was actually modified by SAI). There are alot of opinions on this subject and much heated debate.... search the forums if you want more....

If anything, history does show us that Shelby's "numbered" vehicles are most the valued in the collector market, only time will tell if this holds true for the S197 Mustang variants.

Here is a basic breakdown of the current versions.....

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The CS6 and CS8 are Shelby authorized, designed and developed kits, but they do not recieve CSM numbers or Registry recognition

The Terlingua, GT-H and Shelby GT's are Ford build, Shelby designed, Shelby factory modified Mustang GT's which recieve CSM numbers and are registered

The GT-500 is a Joint Shelby/Ford SVT designed vehicle built entirely by Ford, it does not recieve a CSM number but it is recognized in the registry as a Shelby

The GT-500KR, Super Snake, 40th Anniversary are a Ford build, Shelby factory modified GT-500's which recieve CSM numbers and are registered

************************************

So, where does this leave you? If you want a "real" Shelby, you need to decide what version/level of "real" you want... and what it's worth to you to get it.

My advise to you would be to enjoy your car and save your money for a few years then go after the "real' Shelby of your dreams

Hope this helps

This post has been edited by Rarecat: 10 December 2008 - 07:49 AM

[08SGT1977]

Well said, Rarecat