[strong_j]

well guys my 4.6 has finally seen the last of its days yesterday when i shot a rod through the block. i tell you it was an experience going down the highway smoke filling up the car and having the car die and lose my brakes. thatll get ur heart pumping. lol. but with over 500 horses the 4.6 is merely a ticking time bomb so i cant say i didnt see this coming. i just wish it didnt happen in 30 degree weather. lol i was hoping if yall had any suggestions on a shop near dallas texas that are really good and can swap my block and if yall had any ideas on a forged built block. im kinda leaning towards the aluminator, but if yall have tried something different than pls let me know and how did you like it. thx

[SGT2666]

Sadly the Aluminator is not the proper configuration for our cars. Its the previous generation motor.

[GT500-07]

SGT2666, on Nov 19 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

Sadly the Aluminator is not the proper configuration for our cars. Its the previous generation motor.

who told you that? FR makes a 4.6 3v short block that will work on the SGT. the CR is lower then stock but you can push lbs of boost with it. try contacting SD Wheeler (Shadowlands), he is in TX and could help you with a good engine build.

[SGT2666]

GT500-07, on Nov 19 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

who told you that? FR makes a 4.6 3v short block that will work on the SGT. the CR is lower then stock but you can push lbs of boost with it. try contacting SD Wheeler (Shadowlands), he is in TX and could help you with a good engine build.

Oops...

This post has been edited by SGT2666: 19 November 2009 - 03:53 PM

[GT500-07]

SGT2666, on Nov 19 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

They do make a 3V its not the aluminator however.

wrong again, I think you need to call FR. we just bought one for a new project
http://s197forum.com...ight=Aluminator

[EL SHELBY]

There are a few decent shops in the DFW area. I've delt with HPP Racing out of Lewisville and was happy but I've heard just the opposite from others. There is also place in Arlington but I cannot recall the name of the shop. I'll try to track it down. May want to give the guys at Quantum and Dallas Mustang to see what direction they point you.

A blessed (read 'holy') block is just an excuse to go bigger and meaner.

Gary aka 'GEM427' may be able to help as well.

This post has been edited by EL SHELBY: 19 November 2009 - 02:01 PM

[AstroDan]

Oooof!
I hate hearing stories like this, especially since that is the same set-up as I have!

Can you provide details how this happened?

Thanks
Dan

[gbstang]

The Aluminator is a nice block... Unfortunately it requires mods for us with the newer SGT's like 2004 and earlier front timing cover etc.
still, if your going to run a blower on a stock motor, its just a matter of time..
Check out these guys, they specialize in Modular motors, very knowledgable and have alot more stuff that the website lists..
As soon as I get to Germany, I am going to redo my 4.6, beef it up to a 302.....
http://www.modmaxrac..._p/99525346.htm
This motor is right up your alley, and as you can see, it will be built for reasonable cost and to almost any config you like...
GNB

This post has been edited by gbstang: 19 November 2009 - 03:37 PM

[gbstang]

For all you guys running high boost pressures,,,,here is another link on the site talking about a good build..

http://www.modmaxrac...tegory_s/71.htm

GNB

[SGT2666]

GT500-07, on Nov 19 2009, 01:50 PM, said:

wrong again, I think you need to call FR. we just bought one for a new project
http://s197forum.com...ight=Aluminator

Sorry I stand corrected I'd never seen the short block Aluminator

[blueone]

GT500-07, on Nov 19 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

who told you that? FR makes a 4.6 3v short block that will work on the SGT. the CR is lower then stock but you can push lbs of boost with it. try contacting SD Wheeler (Shadowlands), he is in TX and could help you with a good engine build.

+1, SD got me pointed in the right direction and set me up with my shop.

[MMcGuirk]

gbstang, on Nov 19 2009, 03:34 PM, said:

The Aluminator is a nice block... Unfortunately it requires mods for us with the newer SGT's like 2004 and earlier front timing cover etc.
still, if your going to run a blower on a stock motor, its just a matter of time..
Check out these guys, they specialize in Modular motors, very knowledgable and have alot more stuff that the website lists..
As soon as I get to Germany, I am going to redo my 4.6, beef it up to a 302.....
http://www.modmaxrac..._p/99525346.htm
This motor is right up your alley, and as you can see, it will be built for reasonable cost and to almost any config you like...
GNB

FRPP makes a 3V Aluminator SB. It is actually our block, that not the weak link. 8.4 CR, forged steel crank, h beam rods and alum pistons. $4500.00, several dealers ( Capaldi Racing and Tousley) discount. Add 17 pounds of boost and you get 500+ rwhp very reliably.

[strong_j]

ive been looking at the modmax racing engines and they look pretty legit and not a bad price at all. Im really thinking about the modmax 4.6 to 5.0 short block with 20cc pistons. seems like the best thing to go with. and i decided to just do the work myself it would save me a hell of alot of money.

AstroDan, on Nov 19 2009, 06:24 PM, said:

Oooof!
I hate hearing stories like this, especially since that is the same set-up as I have!

Can you provide details how this happened?

Thanks
Dan

and the story of how it happened i was on the highway around 11:00 at night and suddenly this black 04 camaro SS comes up next to me and i mean this thing was loud cams and headers just screaming in my ear (i think im still alittle def) lol. anyways he pulls up next to me and just keeps revving at me speeding up and slowing down again and again and again, i mean this guy would not stop. so there was nobody on the road and it was like 30 degrees so my car was running tip top. sadly i gave in yes i totally regret the decision now. lol. so we slowed down to 40 mph and im in second gear, he honks 3 times and at the third honk were off. im leaving him and im thinking life is pretty good right now (except for the ringing in my ears) next thing i know (im in 4th gear pretty close to 6,000 rpms) i hear a loud cling cling cling and the smell of burning oil and smoke fills up the car. i look down and saw that the car is off and i have no oil pressure. so i just pull over to the emergency lane and thought to myself wait this isnt right the chevy is suppose to break down not me. lol so i won the race, but lost a motor.

[MMcGuirk]

strong_j, on Nov 20 2009, 09:13 AM, said:

ive been looking at the modmax racing engines and they look pretty legit and not a bad price at all. Im really thinking about the modmax 4.6 to 5.0 short block with 20cc pistons. seems like the best thing to go with. and i decided to just do the work myself it would save me a hell of alot of money.



and the story of how it happened i was on the highway around 11:00 at night and suddenly this black 04 camaro SS comes up next to me and i mean this thing was loud cams and headers just screaming in my ear (i think im still alittle def) lol. anyways he pulls up next to me and just keeps revving at me speeding up and slowing down again and again and again, i mean this guy would not stop. so there was nobody on the road and it was like 30 degrees so my car was running tip top. sadly i gave in yes i totally regret the decision now. lol. so we slowed down to 40 mph and im in second gear, he honks 3 times and at the third honk were off. im leaving him and im thinking life is pretty good right now (except for the ringing in my ears) next thing i know (im in 4th gear pretty close to 6,000 rpms) i hear a loud cling cling cling and the smell of burning oil and smoke fills up the car. i look down and saw that the car is off and i have no oil pressure. so i just pull over to the emergency lane and thought to myself wait this isnt right the chevy is suppose to break down not me. lol so i won the race, but lost a motor.

Hi,

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

Were you running the FRPP tune? Di you modify the tune for muffler deletes?

Thanks,

MM

[rlhay2]

Gear Heads is the shop in Arlington. Heard good things about their work.

Quote

I went out to the wed night meet and watch a whipple "shelby" GT blow his motor last night! That was interesting. I was also keeping up with only 13psi, and boost cutting me at like 5500rpm. I can't wait to have this car tuned again!!!

So that was you? That blows....no pun intended.

[strong_j]

Yes that was me!!! Cracked my block. Were you there?? What car were u in??

[kahmann]

The Aluminator is a great option IMO. It IS built to swap right into the S197, so disregard the previous posts on that.
Also, for the price and the warranty that comes with it, this deal from FRPP is a difficult one to top. If my block wasn't reusable, I'd have already gotten one of these on order (and still might). SD is definitely the man to talk to in your area though. Good luck.

Ken

[strong_j]

MMcGuirk, on Nov 20 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Hi,

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

Were you running the FRPP tune? Di you modify the tune for muffler deletes?

Thanks,

MM

no i did not need to modify the tune for the muffler deletes, and yes it had a ford racing tune on it.

[AstroDan]

MMcGuirk, on Nov 19 2009, 09:57 PM, said:

FRPP makes a 3V Aluminator SB. It is actually our block, that not the weak link. 8.4 CR, forged steel crank, h beam rods and alum pistons. $4500.00, several dealers ( Capaldi Racing and Tousley) discount. Add 17 pounds of boost and you get 500+ rwhp very reliably.

So, with the lower compression ratio, you're saying with 17# boost, only make 500whp? That seems awfully low. I would think closer to 600.
Maybe Big Carl can chip in. He's making huge #'s on built motor with the Paxton. Not sure of his boost, though...

This post has been edited by AstroDan: 20 November 2009 - 12:13 PM

[MMcGuirk]

AstroDan, on Nov 20 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

So, with the lower compression ratio, you're saying with 17# boost, only make 500whp? That seems awfully low. I would think closer to 600.
Maybe Big Carl can chip in. He's making huge #'s on built motor with the Paxton. Not sure of his boost, though...

Hey Dan,

I said 500 + rwhp.

Big Carl put down 560 at AED.

I have had 2 reputable shops tell me that lower compression ratio and increase boost would range in the 525 -575 rwhp.

Remember the lower CR is for reliability.

I am sure if you put 17 lbs on the stock CR you would be in the 650 rwhp range, but how reliable even with a forged bottom end?

MM