[MadManMoon]

Hello, all...

I'm anxiously awaiting the delivery of all 130lb worth of FRPP Handling Pack (according to UPS!), but I'm wondering if all the required fasteners come with the kit. I know some, if not all, of the suspension fasteners are torque-to-yield one-time-use, so do I need to get more, or do they come with the kit?

Thanks!

[6-Speed]

MadManMoon, on Nov 25 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

Hello, all...

I'm anxiously awaiting the delivery of all 130lb worth of FRPP Handling Pack (according to UPS!), but I'm wondering if all the required fasteners come with the kit. I know some, if not all, of the suspension fasteners are torque-to-yield one-time-use, so do I need to get more, or do they come with the kit?

Thanks!

Replacement fasteners are not included.

[MadManMoon]

6-Speed, on Nov 25 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

Replacement fasteners are not included.

Thanks. So how do I get replacement fasteners? Any ideas?

[blkGT500nCA]

I looked into this, and you'll spend a small fortune buying new 12.9 grade zinc coated hardward. From what people told me, you can reuse the factory stuff several times. No problems as of yet, and I don't have any of the clunking issues some people were getting.

[89Saleen215]

I just did this and there are upgraded bolts/nuts for the strut-to-spindle and they get torqued to 169 lbs-ft. I have the part numbers and together it came to under $70 for the set of 4. The rest should be fine, but there are known issues with the factory strut-to-spindle bolt/nuts. I would highly recommend changing these if you do nothing else. I'll get the upgraded part numbers up later...unless someone beats me to it.

HTH - Saleen 89-215

[6-Speed]

89Saleen215, on Nov 26 2009, 12:48 AM, said:

I just did this and there are upgraded bolts/nuts for the strut-to-spindle and they get torqued to 169 lbs-ft. I have the part numbers and together it came to under $70 for the set of 4. The rest should be fine, but there are known issues with the factory strut-to-spindle bolt/nuts. I would highly recommend changing these if you do nothing else. I'll get the upgraded part numbers up later...unless someone beats me to it.

HTH - Saleen 89-215

Can you elaborate on the issues with the stock spindle bolts?

The instructions on the Maximum Motorsports camber plates recommended replacing them with the new bolts. Just wondering what the issue is that's driving the change. I replaced my spindle bolts with new OEM hardware.

[89Saleen215]

Here are the upgraded part numbers:
W714652-S439 (bolts) & W714653-S900 (nuts)

There was a thread a while back about a broken spindle and it was said that it most likely came from the strut-to-spindle bolts loosening. This had been confirmed by another source as well. Another source that I talked to (a local racing team that runs the FR500C and FR500S Mustangs) said that they had been advised by Ford to upgrade to these as well to ensure no issues.

Again, this bolt set is torqued more than the OEM pieces.

[MadManMoon]

89Saleen215, on Nov 29 2009, 03:39 AM, said:

Here are the upgraded part numbers:
W714652-S439 (bolts) & W714653-S900 (nuts)

There was a thread a while back about a broken spindle and it was said that it most likely came from the strut-to-spindle bolts loosening. This had been confirmed by another source as well. Another source that I talked to (a local racing team that runs the FR500C and FR500S Mustangs) said that they had been advised by Ford to upgrade to these as well to ensure no issues.

Again, this bolt set is torqued more than the OEM pieces.

Thanks!

When you said earlier that you'd just done this, do you mean install the Handling Pack? If so, did you replace any other fasteners besides the ones noted above?

[54First]

Those nuts and bolts are "one time use", not "torque to yield". T-to-Y gets torqued to a specified value and then turned an additional x degrees. The flange on flanged fasteners gets deformed during torquing and they're never quite the same. Also, Nylock fasteners are compromised after one use. The solution is blue Loctite. When I did the rear, I actually uninstalled and installed several times, torquing each time. When I was satisfied, I ordered a new set of bolts & nuts from SilverStateFordParts.com in Las Vegas. You won't find the hardware listed on their site, but E-mail them. Phoning is a lost cause.

I also installed BMR UCA, LCAs and relocators, UCA mount, Panhard rod, relocator, and brace. You'll find that the stock LCA will only fit in the relocator's lower hole and you really want the upper hole. It also rubs sometimes in the lower hole. While getting the LCA's, I got the street adjustables. If you can find a good alignment shop (not a tire store or Pep Boys) with good enough equipment, they can adjust the axle to be perfectly straight. They corrected mine 1/16". The Panhard relocator gets the rod away from the diff cover. It's awful close in the standard position. But if you do relocate, and use the stock brace, check the clearance with the brace on a big bump. I bought the upper UCA and bracket bcause I liked the results withe LCAs so much. I'm glad I did it.

I haven't mentioned the front. It was a totally uneventful install. And I used blue Loctite.

Hope this list helps. The format got messed up when I pasted.

Mustang Rear Suspension Nuts & Bolts Silver State Ford Parts
1-800-532-0819
Qty. Part No. Description Diam. mm Thread Pitch Length mm Grade Head mm Head Type Comments

2 W711504S439 Panhard Rod Bolt 14 2.0 80 10.9 18 Flange Same as Lower Control Arm Front Bolt
1 W710022S900 Panhard Rod Flagnut (RH) 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
1 W710689S900 Panhard Rod Flagnut (LH) 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
2 W711331S439 Lateral Stiffener Bar-to-Body Bolt 10 1.5 22Thread 8Smooth 10.9 15 Flange
1 W710693S439 Lateral Stiffener Bar Flag Bolt 12 1.75 90Thread 6Smooth 10.9 Round Flange Flag
1 W520214S440 Lateral Stiffener Bar Nut 12 1.75 18 Flange
1 W708795S439 Upper Arm Bracket Forward Bolt 14 2.0 40Thread 12Smooth 10.9 18 Flange/ Washer Under rear seat Roush uses 45mm
2 W711075S439 Upper Arm Bracket Rearward Bolt 12 1.75 40Thread 8Smooth 10.9 18 Hex/Fat Washer Roush uses 30mm
1 W710443S439 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bushing Bolt 14 2.0 120 10.9 18 Flange Flag
1 W520215S440 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bushing Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange
1 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bracket Bolt 14 2.0 110 10.9 18 Flange Part of upper control arm assembly
1 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bracket Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange Part of upper control arm assembly
2 W711504S439 Lower Arm Front Bolt 14 2.0 80 10.9 18 Flange Same as Panhard Rod Bolt
2 W710089S440 Lower Arm Front Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
2 W704888S900 Lower Arm Rear Bolt 14 2.0 100 10.9 18 Flange
2 W704991S900 Lower Arm Rear Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
2 W709878S439 Lower Shock Bolt 12 1.75 87Thread 6Smooth 10.9 15 Flange
2 W710436S900 Lower Shock Nut 12 1.75 18 Flange Flag
1 BMR Panhard Relocation Bolt 14 2.0 140 10.9 22 Hex
1 BMR Upper Arm Forward Bolt 14 2.0 120 10.9 22 Hex
1 BMR Upper Arm Forward Nut 14 2.0 8.8 22 Hex
2 BMR Lower Arm Rear Bolt 14 2.0 100 10.9 22 Hex
2 BMR Lower Arm Rear Nut 14 2.0 8.8 22 Hex

[54First]

Need to clarify my prior post. The FRPP rear install was also uneventful. The BMR comedy was of my own making.

[MadManMoon]

54First, on Nov 29 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

Those nuts and bolts are "one time use", not "torque to yield". T-to-Y gets torqued to a specified value and then turned an additional x degrees. The flange on flanged fasteners gets deformed during torquing and they're never quite the same. Also, Nylock fasteners are compromised after one use. The solution is blue Loctite. When I did the rear, I actually uninstalled and installed several times, torquing each time. When I was satisfied, I ordered a new set of bolts & nuts from SilverStateFordParts.com in Las Vegas. You won't find the hardware listed on their site, but E-mail them. Phoning is a lost cause.

I also installed BMR UCA, LCAs and relocators, UCA mount, Panhard rod, relocator, and brace. You'll find that the stock LCA will only fit in the relocator's lower hole and you really want the upper hole. It also rubs sometimes in the lower hole. While getting the LCA's, I got the street adjustables. If you can find a good alignment shop (not a tire store or Pep Boys) with good enough equipment, they can adjust the axle to be perfectly straight. They corrected mine 1/16". The Panhard relocator gets the rod away from the diff cover. It's awful close in the standard position. But if you do relocate, and use the stock brace, check the clearance with the brace on a big bump. I bought the upper UCA and bracket bcause I liked the results withe LCAs so much. I'm glad I did it.

I haven't mentioned the front. It was a totally uneventful install. And I used blue Loctite.

Hope this list helps. The format got messed up when I pasted.

Wow, thanks! This is awesome!

Can you possibly re-post the table with correct formatting, or maybe take a screen-shot and post it as an image (*.jpg)? I'm having a real hard time figuring out what I'm looking at here. But it looks like great info, once I figure it out!!

Which LCAs and adj panhard did you go with from BMR? I ordered the Billet LCAs (ACA-004) and relocation brackets, and the adjustable Panhard with rod ends (PHR-012). Does the BMR equipment come with the necessary fasteners?

Thanks again - this will really help!

[54First]

Let's try this.


GT500 Rear Suspension Nuts & Bolts

Qty. Part No. Description Diam. Thread Length Grade Head Head Comments
mm Pitch mm mm Type

2 W711504S439 Panhard Rod Bolt 14 2.0 80 10.9 18 Flange Same as Lower Control Arm Front Bolt
1 W710022S900 Panhard Rod Flagnut (RH) 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
1 W710689S900 Panhard Rod Flagnut (LH) 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
2 W711331S439 Lateral Stiffener Bar-to-Body Bolt 10 1.5 22Thread 10.9 15 Flange
8Smooth
1 W710693S439 Lateral Stiffener Bar Flag Bolt 12 1.75 90Thread 10.9 Round Flange Flag
6Smooth
1 W520214S440 Lateral Stiffener Bar Nut 12 1.75 18 Flange
1 W708795S439 Upper Arm Bracket Forward Bolt 14 2.0 40Thread 10.9 18 Flange/Washer Under rear seat/Roush uses 45mm
12Smooth
W711075S439 Upper Arm Bracket Rearward Bolt 12 1.75 40Thread 10.9 18 Hex/Fat Washer Roush uses 30mm
8Smooth
1 W710443S439 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bushing Bolt 14 2.0 120 10.9 18 Flange Flag
1 W520215S440 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bushing Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange
1 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bracket Bolt 14 2.0 110 10.9 18 Flange Part of upper control arm assembly
1 Upper Arm to Upper Arm Bracket Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange Part of upper control arm assembly
2 W711504S439 Lower Arm Front Bolt 14 2.0 80 10.9 18 Flange Same as Panhard Rod Bolt
2 W710089S440 Lower Arm Front Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
2 W704888S900 Lower Arm Rear Bolt 14 2.0 100 10.9 18 Flange
2 W704991S900 Lower Arm Rear Nut 14 2.0 21 Flange Flag
2 W709878S439 Lower Shock Bolt 12 1.75 87Thread 10.9 15 Flange
6Smooth
2 W710436S900 Lower Shock Nut 12 1.75 18 Flange Flag
1 BMR Panhard Relocation Bolt 14 2.0 140 10.9 22 Hex
1 BMR Upper Arm Forward Bolt 14 2.0 120 10.9 22 Hex
1 BMR Upper Arm Forward Nut 14 2.0 8.8 22 Hex
2 BMR Lower Arm Rear Bolt 14 2.0 100 10.9 22 Hex
2 BMR Lower Arm Rear Nut 14 2.0 8.8 22 Hex

[54First]

No good. Gimme some time.

[54First]

OK. I give up. How do I post a JPG? I've got it but I can't figure how to post it. Just in case I die before I get it posted, the first number is the quantity, then the part number, then the description. The rest you only need if you're going to get generic fasteners. At SilverStateFordParts.com, contrary to my earlier statement, you don't need to e-mail. Since you have the part numbers, you can order right from the opening page.

As for BMR. They include fasteners when the stock fastener isn't appropriate. Otherwise, use the stock one.
The pieces I have are:
TCA-021 Lower Control Arms. Adjustable poly/rod end combo. Adjusts the same way as the panhard.
CAB-005 Lower Control Arm Relo Brackets
PHR-006 Adjustable Panhard Rod w/ Poly Bushings
PHR-007 Panhard Rod Support Brace
PHR-008 Panhard Rod Relo Bracket
UTCA-01 Upper Control Arm, Non-adjustable, Poly Bushing
UCM-001 Upper Control Arm Mount

After you get everything together, hang a plumb bob from each rear fender, with masking tape, running past the wheel center. Get one for each side. It's way easier than switching back and forth. Adjust the panhard rod to get centered. BMR says if you're within an 1/8" it's OK, but you can do way better. Then go get aligned.

Let me know about how to post the JPEG. I'm sure I'll need it again. Thanks

[54First]

Hah! I got it. Hope it's helpful.


 GT500_RearSusp.jpg (392.43K)
Number of downloads: 105

This post has been edited by 54First: 30 November 2009 - 01:24 PM

[MadManMoon]

54First, on Nov 30 2009, 05:22 PM, said:

Hah! I got it. Hope it's helpful.

Dude! You ROCK! This is awesome!

I'm not replacing the UCA yet, so I'm assuming I can ignore the Upper Arm-related fasteners?

As far as the actual contents of the FRPP Handling Pack, it's new front and rear shocks and springs, new front and rear sway bars, and a new strut tower brace, right? And since I got the BMR adjustable Panhard and LCAs, I can add those. So, I need fasteners for the Panhard Rod and Lower Arm. Do I need to remove the stabilizer bar and replace those fasteners too?

What about the front install? Do I need new bolts for the strut tower brace or the new shock/spring assembly?

Thanks!

[54First]

Not sure what you mean by stabilizer bar. That's what Ford calls the sway bar, so you'll be replacing it. If you mean the panhard brace, I was replacing it anyway, so I took it out. I don't know if you'll have to.
I didn't replace the front fasteners. I just used blue Loctite. I only had them out and in once, so I took the chance. If you're going to use the new strut-to-spindle bolts and nuts mentioned earlier by 89Saleen215, make sure they're in before you get aligned. The rears were in and out multiple times, so I replaced them.

Several notes:
The rear fasteners will cost $100 give or take, so make sure you're satisfied with everything before installing.
The handling pack includes instructions for the sway bars only. I would suggest buying the factory service manual from www.helminc.com. (CD - $170, paper - $180). Well worth the bucks. I have the CD. You can link around in it instead of turning pages. I put an image on my computer. It's way faster.
You probably know this, but you'll need a 1/2" torque wrench and a strut spring compressor.
Don't lift the car or support the rear axle from the center section. Your owners manual and the service manual state this. The axle tubes are press fit and can shift.

A little funny:
My handling pack came UPS Freight. It arrived on my small residential street in an 18 wheeler with a 53' trailer.

This post has been edited by 54First: 01 December 2009 - 05:56 PM

[89Saleen215]

FYI - I shopped around and got those strut-to-spindle bolts for $67 (inc tx) at a local dealer.

[MadManMoon]

54First, on Dec 1 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

Not sure what you mean by stabilizer bar. That's what Ford calls the sway bar, so you'll be replacing it. If you mean the panhard brace, I was replacing it anyway, so I took it out. I don't know if you'll have to.

According to the WSM, there is a Lateral Stiffener Bar and a Stabilizer Bar. The Stabilizer Bar is the sway bar. However, the rear suspension parts you listed included the fasteners for the Lateral Stiffener Bar, but not the Stabilizer Bar. I've attached the pertinent sections of the WSM for your reference.

Quote

I didn't replace the front fasteners. I just used blue Loctite. I only had them out and in once, so I took the chance. If you're going to use the new strut-to-spindle bolts and nuts mentioned earlier by 89Saleen215, make sure they're in before you get aligned. The rears were in and out multiple times, so I replaced them.

I think I'll get the strut-to-spindle bolts that 89Saleen215 mentioned, especially since Ford seems to recommend replacement.

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Several notes:
The rear fasteners will cost $100 give or take, so make sure you're satisfied with everything before installing.
The handling pack includes instructions for the sway bars only. I would suggest buying the factory service manual from www.helminc.com. (CD - $170, paper - $180). Well worth the bucks. I have the CD. You can link around in it instead of turning pages. I put an image on my computer. It's way faster.

I used the online version available here: http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=1 and downloaded all the PDFs. I assume this is the same thing. I don't have all the links, but the price was right!

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A little funny:
My handling pack came UPS Freight. It arrived on my small residential street in an 18 wheeler with a 53' trailer.

Okay, THAT's just awesome! Maybe I'll stay home Friday to see if a semi delivers mine!

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•  204_02_1_Removal_and_Installation___Stabilizer_Bar.PDF (200.51K)
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This post has been edited by MadManMoon: 01 December 2009 - 06:39 PM

[6-Speed]

I understand those new strut to spindle bolts have a finer thread that must be torqued to 166 lb-ft. You might check the spec on your torque wrench. Mine only goes up to 150 lb-ft.

This post has been edited by 6-Speed: 01 December 2009 - 06:44 PM