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Pagans should also not have the right to legislate their beliefs either then, correct?

 

This country will go down the tubes without morals. It's too bad. We are starting to see the effects of recent years of moral-less bad decisions of our leaders.

 

As for our doctors, would you trust one without morals to work on you? You better hope that they and our leaders have some "moral authority."

You mean like GWB and all the REPUBLICANS that have been running the country? Those leaders? Street pimps have higher moral character. :hysterical:

 

Real morality is in decline, false morality is on the rise. Feel good morality. It used to be love thy neighbor, now its control thy neighbor.

 

I think forcing women to give birth is wrong. Thats ultimately what a McCain Palin presidency will mean.

 

It's one thing to be against abortion, but to deny it in all cases is an extremist view and will cause a lot of suffering.

 

I think many of you will regret it one day if this comes to pass.

 

KC666

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You mean like GWB and all the REPUBLICANS that have been running the country? Those leaders? Street pimps have higher moral character. :hysterical:

 

Real morality is in decline, false morality is on the rise. Feel good morality. It used to be love thy neighbor, now its control thy neighbor.

 

I think forcing women to give birth is wrong. Thats ultimately what a McCain Palin presidency will mean.

 

It's one thing to be against abortion, but to deny it in all cases is an extremist view and will cause a lot of suffering.

 

I think many of you will regret it one day if this comes to pass.

 

KC666

 

Why do you refer to it as "forcing women to give birth"? Outlawing abortion does not "force women to give birth". It would, however, as it did before roe v. wade, make them and the men become more responsible for their actions, think twice or more before engaging in recreational sex, increase respect and dignity for women, bring back increased morals that were lost as a result of roe v. wade.

 

The "suffering" you mentioned would be entirely preventable by the women, all they have to do is refuse the sex - wow, what a novel concept! And just think, less recreational sex, less need for abortions and less sexually transmitted diseases and increased respect for women.

 

Now, of course, in the case of rape the woman do not have a choice in refusing sex, however out of the over 1 million abortions per year in the US alone, only 0.5% are allegedly a result rape. The worst examples are of course the partial-birth abortion where the babies are born alive but then killed by stabbing them in the head. Obama, as you know, fully supports this action, which in my view is unquestionably disgusting and is, along with his overall abortion stance, is my personal no. 1 reason for voting against him.

 

To be against abortion is hardly an "extremist" view. On the contrary, roe v. wade is the extremist law which we are living under and this country should return to the moral high ground, do what's right and abolish this law and stop the murders. Roe v. Wade has done terrible harm to women and morals in our society. Even more extremist is the above mentioned support of partial-birth abortion, and I imagine that next in line for democrat / liberal support will be legalized assisted suicide.

 

Killing off unwanted babies and old people....It's all about getting rid of "undesireable" human beings, isn't it? Oddly enough, that sounds so similar to some Nazi ideas I remember reading about.

 

Anyway, some liberals do worry a bit too much - all McCain and Palin want to do is return the abortion decision and laws back to the States where it belongs. The Surpreme Court should have never been involved in such an absurdity to begin with.

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What concerns me is how selfish some men and woman are, and how they can't control themselves, and then when the woman gets pregnant they can decide to kill a baby, a helpless, innocent human being. THAT is what's sickening, distastful and in fact, completely disgusting.

 

Edit - as for Constitutional rights, it does not give anyone the right to kill. Our Forefathers never envisioned that people would become so low as to slaughter babies - a million a year, I think, is happening.

 

+1 Ilmor

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I can show the mother a fetal strong heartbeat at 4 1/2 weeks. If you don't consider that a human being then you have some major moral and or cognitive issues.

 

 

+1 if there is a heartbeat there is life.

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Make NO MISTAKE about it. McCain and Palin will FORCE women to have children they dont want to bear. Even Rush Limbaugh thinks so, and hes HAPPY about it.

 

http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-on.html

 

In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would "choose life" -- meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.

 

Guess so much for that argument SD, Sarah Plain claims she would force her own daughter to have a baby concieved in rape....pretty sick, I feel for her daughter. If she is president, I feel for ALL of our daughters. These are some sick controling views by a person thats got too much religion and too little sense. She has no business in ANY public office.

 

So, your wrong, again SD. Knowing this now, you still would want her to be president?

 

 

KC666

 

 

Again, you are confusing her PERSONAL VIEWS to someone that would FORCE THEIR VIEWS!

 

She says if it were her daughter she would CHOOSE life. She did NOT say she would FORCE life! BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

 

She could not force life even if she wanted to. Her daughter has her own choice regardless of her mother's beliefs!

 

Read it again. She said she would CHOOSE.....NOT FORCE!

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You mean like GWB and all the REPUBLICANS that have been running the country? Those leaders? Street pimps have higher moral character. :hysterical:

 

Real morality is in decline, false morality is on the rise. Feel good morality. It used to be love thy neighbor, now its control thy neighbor.

 

I think forcing women to give birth is wrong. Thats ultimately what a McCain Palin presidency will mean.

 

It's one thing to be against abortion, but to deny it in all cases is an extremist view and will cause a lot of suffering.

 

I think many of you will regret it one day if this comes to pass.

 

KC666

 

 

Real morality is in decline, false morality is on the rise. Feel good morality. It used to be love thy neighbor, now its control thy neighbor.

 

 

If you don't agree with this then how could you possibly support Obama???? This is exactly what he represents! He wants control over the people! He wants to FORCE HIS BELIEFS on everyone regardless of what they are.

 

If you need proof of that all you have to do is just LISTEN to the guy when he talks!!! Instead the kool-aid has your brain so fried you only hear what you want to hear instead of LISTENING to his words!

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Why do you refer to it as "forcing women to give birth"? Outlawing abortion does not "force women to give birth".

The "suffering" you mentioned would be entirely preventable by the women, all they have to do is refuse the sex - wow, what a novel concept! And just think, less recreational sex, less need for abortions and less sexually transmitted diseases and increased respect for women.

 

Now, of course, in the case of rape the woman do not have a choice in refusing sex, however out of the over 1 million abortions per year in the US alone, only 0.5% are allegedly a result rape.

 

Anyway, some liberals do worry a bit too much - all McCain and Palin want to do is return the abortion decision and laws back to the States where it belongs. The Surpreme Court should have never been involved in such an absurdity to begin with.

I guess you better hope that your wife, daughter etc are never in that .5%.(using your number, no clue on the accuracy of it.)

 

Some of those .5% will be FORCED to give birth, some will kill them selves, and some will help some rapist propagate. All bad scenarios. So for those woman its just too bad?

 

If McCain Palin get in there, Roe v Wade will be overturned and eventually all abortion will be outlawed. Isn't that what you are hoping for? What will happen to those 1 million unwanted children? What about the MILLIONS of unwanted children we have now? I guess once they're alive, they can fend for themselves.

 

As far as loose morals, recreational sex. Are we talkin like Bristol Palin, that kind of loose morals?

 

Sometimes young folks use poor judgement. I'm sure you never had sex out of wedlock right?

I wouldnt be too quick to judge others morality. You may find yourself judged and found wanting.

 

Sounds to me like you want to PUNISH women who don't live up to your moral standards. Maybe you dont like woman? That kinda sounds like the Taliban to me. Not much difference between Musilm extremists and Christian extremists when you get right down to it. Flip side of the same coin.

 

The real question here is, does a woman have control over her body or does the government.

Does the fetus's rights trump those of a taxpaying living woman? I dont think so, you do, but ultimately its none of our business, nor the governments. You seem to think it is.

 

 

KC666

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Real morality is in decline, false morality is on the rise. Feel good morality. It used to be love thy neighbor, now its control thy neighbor.

 

If you don't agree with this then how could you possibly support Obama???? This is exactly what he represents! He wants control over the people! He wants to FORCE HIS BELIEFS on everyone regardless of what they are.

 

If you need proof of that all you have to do is just LISTEN to the guy when he talks!!! Instead the kool-aid has your brain so fried you only hear what you want to hear instead of LISTENING to his words!

 

SD: This is just hyperbolic BS. Obama will appoint reasonable people to the bench. I want more freedom not less. I've listened to Obama plenty, I like what I hear. Maybe you need to listen to him more and less to right wing propaganda.

 

McCain Palin want to turn this nation into a theocracy, which is how its going now. They are eager to put people on the supreme court that will help them do that. Control of reproduction is a first step towards total control and subjugation of women. Soon, they wil be telling women how to dress etc.

 

ilmor's attitude is a good example of how republicans are eager to control our sex lives, reproduction etc. I dont want to see women in burquas HERE, but thats where they want to lead us. They want to punish anyone who doesnt agree.

 

BTW, your not winning anyone over by using kool aid refences over and over. That is some tired old rhetoric from the 60's. I'm old but not that old. Republicans want think everyone that disagrees with them is a hippie. I think you would be surprised, because I doubt there are many, if any of us, on this site that are hippies.

 

Go listen to Rush, maybe he can come up with a new "zinger" for ya! The kool aid thing is kinda lame. :hysterical:

 

 

KC666

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SD: This is just hyperbolic BS. Obama will appoint reasonable people to the bench. I want more freedom not less. I've listened to Obama plenty, I like what I hear. Maybe you need to listen to him more and less to right wing propaganda.

 

McCain Palin want to turn this nation into a theocracy, which is how its going now. They are eager to put people on the supreme court that will help them do that. Control of reproduction is a first step towards total control and subjugation of women. Soon, they wil be telling women how to dress etc.

 

ilmor's attitude is a good example of how republicans are eager to control our sex lives, reproduction etc. I dont want to see women in burquas HERE, but thats where they want to lead us. They want to punish anyone who doesnt agree.

 

BTW, your not winning anyone over by using kool aid refences over and over. That is some tired old rhetoric from the 60's. I'm old but not that old. Republicans want think everyone that disagrees with them is a hippie. I think you would be surprised, because I doubt there are many, if any of us, on this site that are hippies.

 

Go listen to Rush, maybe he can come up with a new "zinger" for ya! The kool aid thing is kinda lame. :hysterical:

 

 

KC666

 

 

 

Oh brother! Do you even hear yourself???

 

You want more freedom but want to vote the very person into office that wants to take your freedom away! LOL

 

You haven't listened to anything Obama has said.

 

Be specific...EXACTLY what has he said that you like????

 

If you can answer this SIMPLE question you will be the very first Obama supporter that ever has out of the hundreds I have asked already.

 

So lets hear it....specifically...what exactly have you heard Obama say that you like what you heard????

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Oh brother! Do you even hear yourself???

 

You want more freedom but want to vote the very person into office that wants to take your freedom away! LOL

 

You haven't listened to anything Obama has said.

 

Be specific...EXACTLY what has he said that you like????

 

If you can answer this SIMPLE question you will be the very first Obama supporter that ever has out of the hundreds I have asked already.

 

So lets hear it....specifically...what exactly have you heard Obama say that you like what you heard????

 

Stop spending 10 billion a month a war getting us no where. Get corporations to pay taxes without avoiding loopholes. Give credits on tax to companies keeping jobs here.

 

I agree with KC666 the right is for less personal freedoms not more. No abortions, morality? Whose morality, what sex is bad? So everyone likes it but its bad?

 

Hey SD how about you answer for me why the biggest war profiting company that gets no bid contracts and was once run by our current vice president has move thier headquarters to DUBAI?

 

10 billion a month,

 

Halliburton went from being on the edge of solvency to moving to DUBAI, so we pay them tax money they profit and pay no tax on it. Redistribution of wealth. Wake up man its a huge scam.

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Stop spending 10 billion a month a war getting us no where. Get corporations to pay taxes without avoiding loopholes. Give credits on tax to companies keeping jobs here.

 

I agree with KC666 the right is for less personal freedoms not more. No abortions, morality? Whose morality, what sex is bad? So everyone likes it but its bad?

 

Hey SD how about you answer for me why the biggest war profiting company that gets no bid contracts and was once run by our current vice president has move thier headquarters to DUBAI?

 

10 billion a month,

 

Halliburton went from being on the edge of solvency to moving to DUBAI, so we pay them tax money they profit and pay no tax on it. Redistribution of wealth. Wake up man its a huge scam.

 

You sound like our next President, Barack Obama and I agree..................... :yup:

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I think people should have more recreational sex, not less.... :hysterical:

Me too! But try to tell that to these self flagellating Taliban types. Sometimes, I think republicans WANT to be miserable. Maybe they just want everyone to be miserable like they are. Misery loves company :shrug:

 

KC666

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Stop spending 10 billion a month a war getting us no where.

 

Uhhh...the war is essentially over - I know liberals don't like to acknowledge the victory. You do know we're pulling out, right?

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Uhhh...the war is essentially over - I know liberals don't like to acknowledge the victory. You do know we're pulling out, right?

 

Esentially is not over so how about Haliburton moving to DUBAI?

 

Dubai the ruling classes new playground, google it it will blow your mind.

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Ilmore we have 152,000 troops in Iraq and 32,000 in Afgahanistan. Today. Petraeus has just taken up the task to figure out what to do next, in the meantime honest brave soldiers and bystanders and opposing forces are dying and Halliburton is still getting paid and dodging taxes by being in DUBAI.

 

Morality.

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I guess you better hope that your wife, daughter etc are never in that .5%.(using your number, no clue on the accuracy of it.)

 

Some of those .5% will be FORCED to give birth, some will kill them selves, and some will help some rapist propagate. All bad scenarios. So for those woman its just too bad?

 

If McCain Palin get in there, Roe v Wade will be overturned and eventually all abortion will be outlawed. Isn't that what you are hoping for? What will happen to those 1 million unwanted children? What about the MILLIONS of unwanted children we have now? I guess once they're alive, they can fend for themselves.

 

As far as loose morals, recreational sex. Are we talkin like Bristol Palin, that kind of loose morals?

 

Sometimes young folks use poor judgement. I'm sure you never had sex out of wedlock right?

I wouldnt be too quick to judge others morality. You may find yourself judged and found wanting.

 

Sounds to me like you want to PUNISH women who don't live up to your moral standards. Maybe you dont like woman? That kinda sounds like the Taliban to me. Not much difference between Musilm extremists and Christian extremists when you get right down to it. Flip side of the same coin.

 

The real question here is, does a woman have control over her body or does the government.

Does the fetus's rights trump those of a taxpaying living woman? I dont think so, you do, but ultimately its none of our business, nor the governments. You seem to think it is.

 

 

KC666

 

Of course I hope that my wife and daugther are not in the 0.5%. Why would anyone hope otherwise?

 

You can validate the abortion / rape numbers yourself with a google search. It's no secret.

 

Yes Bristol Palin is an example to use here- however, you do see the difference, don't you? She is having the baby, not killing it. Sarah Palin had here Downs baby, she didn't kill it. Both should be (and are) commended for this.

 

No one would be FORCED (an ignorant statement) to give birth; but, abortion should be illegal as it kills helpless, innocent children. Now, some woman may decide, unfortunately, to get an abortion outside the law. I guarantee you, however, as it was before Roe v. Wade, the number of women getting pregnant outside of marriage would be GREATLY diminished, so this would become an issue for a small number of women would chose not to conduct themselves properly.

 

Leftist / liberal views of sex result in unwanted children, sexually transmitted diseases, support for pornography and attempted destruction of the definition of marriage, confusion of children by educators, even as young as 5 years old(!), now being taught in some schools about transgenders and gays, and colleges that are more concerned about these relationships than they are about education. What good results from any of that?

 

Finally, of course I do like women. I also like children, and human beings. That's why I hate to see them being hurt so badly, and even killed, as a result of the views, belief and support of liberals. I believe a fetus should have equal rights to those of men and women. You do support equal rights, don't you? Liberals always claim to, except when it inconveniences them or they don't believe in or don't want to hear about what other groups have to say.

 

Edit - Say what you want in response; if you don't agree or understand any of the above, I can only hope and pray that someday you will. I won't be back to this thread.

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Stop spending 10 billion a month a war getting us no where. Get corporations to pay taxes without avoiding loopholes. Give credits on tax to companies keeping jobs here.

 

I agree with KC666 the right is for less personal freedoms not more. No abortions, morality? Whose morality, what sex is bad? So everyone likes it but its bad?

 

Hey SD how about you answer for me why the biggest war profiting company that gets no bid contracts and was once run by our current vice president has move thier headquarters to DUBAI?

 

10 billion a month,

 

Halliburton went from being on the edge of solvency to moving to DUBAI, so we pay them tax money they profit and pay no tax on it. Redistribution of wealth. Wake up man its a huge scam.

 

 

Here is an even bigger scam you should wake up to!

 

Here is a short summary on who Obama is.

 

Start with this first link. If you want to get to the truth about Obama it is important that you read through everything in order to understand everything so you can sift through any propaganda and learn the real facts. Anyone can claim propaganda, but you can not discard what the facts are. There is more than enough here to get to the facts of understanding who the real Obama is.

 

Start here by reading the FBI file on the weather underground. This is important so you can understand what these people are about. You can Google the names of the people listed in this file and you will find many of them are all still tied together and all link to Obama and they all support Obama trying to get him elected.

 

http://foia.fbi.gov/weather/weath1a.pdf

 

 

The next three links below shows who some of these people are and what they are doing today.

 

 

http://www.zimbio.com/Barack+Obama/article...ama+Connections

 

 

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-...weatherman.html

 

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2080558/posts

 

 

 

This link here has three videos. Watch all three and then pay close attention the 3rd video. The 3rd video is a collection of things put together putting things in order based on information found on Obama.

 

http://www.citizenslim.com/

 

 

You can close your eyes to this all you want, but if you pay attention to all this you will learn there is so much more to this than just guilt by association. This is what Obama has spent his life studying, believes in, and all these people have been associates of his for many many years. You do not just surround yourself with this many people throughout your adult life and not share in any of these beliefs! Impossible! Even if it were possible it just shows a total lack of good judgment and proves this type of judgment is not someone anyone would ever want for their President unless you yourself share in these same beliefs. So either you share in these beliefs or you refuse to open your eyes to the truth and live in total denial.

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Of course I hope that my wife and daugther are not in the 0.5%. Why would anyone hope otherwise?

 

You can validate the abortion / rape numbers yourself with a google search. It's no secret.

 

Yes Bristol Palin is an example to use here- however, you do see the difference, don't you? She is having the baby, not killing it. Sarah Palin had here Downs baby, she didn't kill it. Both should be (and are) commended for this.

 

No one would be FORCED (an ignorant statement) to give birth; but, abortion should be illegal as it kills helpless, innocent children. Now, some woman may decide, unfortunately, to get an abortion outside the law. I guarantee you, however, as it was before Roe v. Wade, the number of women getting pregnant outside of marriage would be GREATLY diminished, so this would become an issue for a small number of women would chose not to conduct themselves properly.

 

Leftist / liberal views of sex result in unwanted children, sexually transmitted diseases, support for pornography and attempted destruction of the definition of marriage, confusion of children by educators, even as young as 5 years old(!), now being taught in some schools about transgenders and gays, and colleges that are more concerned about these relationships than they are about education. What good results from any of that?

 

Finally, of course I do like women. I also like children, and human beings. That's why I hate to see them being hurt so badly, and even killed, as a result of the views, belief and support of liberals. I believe a fetus should have equal rights to those of men and women. You do support equal rights, don't you? Liberals always claim to, except when it inconveniences them or they don't believe in or don't want to hear about what other groups have to say.

 

Edit - Say what you want in response; if you don't agree or understand any of the above, I can only hope and pray that someday you will. I won't be back to this thread.

 

I appreciate your comments, here is something to think on, if you come back that is.

 

Women will be FORCED to give birth if McCain and Palin get the chance to appoint Supreme court justices. Nothing ignorant or inaccurate about it. If you cant legally get an abortion and cant afford to get out of the country or go to some back alley butcher, what would you call it? I guess only the rich will have that option, poor people can get strapped to the gurney. Hey, they could do it themselves! We will have to ban coathangers.

 

If you liked women, if you respected them, you would let them descide for themselves how best to deal with pregnancy. Not you , not the government. Most women favor abortion on demand. You dont have a womb, who put you in charge of other peoples parts? You have no right to impose your skewed religous beliefs on others. If you didnt make the baby, its really none of your business.

 

I wonder if your aware that 75% of ALL abortions are done for medical reasons. Probably not.

I wonder if you know that 90% of downs syndrome babies are aborted. Those arent ALL liberals doing that. I think if you looked at the numbers closely you would realize the rhetoric doesn't match up with reality.

 

So McCain is elected and Roe v Wade is gone. What will happen? You will see a explosion of orphans, explosion of metally retarded and crippled children. An explosion of crime and poverty. Of course the Republicans wont want to PAY for their care, because THAT would be Socialism. A million plus by your figures a year. I smell a TAX increase. That oughta make you nervous, if nothing else.

 

It sounds like you want to be some kind of morality police with fear of unabortable pregnancy as your enforcer. I'd say you dont like women much, you just dont realize it. You see them as chattle to be molded however you please. Dont expect everyone to go along with that kind of nonsense.

 

I suppose your against contraception too, huh? Bristol Palin is a prime example of how Republican policies dont work. No sex ed, no contraception and then ooops. Yeah she should be commended alright. If it didnt work for her, what chance have the rest of these kids got?

 

BTW, You never did answer my question about having sex out of wedlock. Because if you ever did, that makes your position quite hypocritical.

 

KC666

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I appreciate your comments, here is something to think on, if you come back that is.

 

Women will be FORCED to give birth if McCain and Palin get the chance to appoint Supreme court justices. Nothing ignorant or inaccurate about it. If you cant legally get an abortion and cant afford to get out of the country or go to some back alley butcher, what would you call it? I guess only the rich will have that option, poor people can get strapped to the gurney. Hey, they could do it themselves! We will have to ban coathangers.

 

If you liked women, if you respected them, you would let them descide for themselves how best to deal with pregnancy. Not you , not the government. Most women favor abortion on demand. You dont have a womb, who put you in charge of other peoples parts? You have no right to impose your skewed religous beliefs on others. If you didnt make the baby, its really none of your business.

 

I wonder if your aware that 75% of ALL abortions are done for medical reasons. Probably not.

I wonder if you know that 90% of downs syndrome babies are aborted. Those arent ALL liberals doing that. I think if you looked at the numbers closely you would realize the rhetoric doesn't match up with reality.

 

So McCain is elected and Roe v Wade is gone. What will happen? You will see a explosion of orphans, explosion of metally retarded and crippled children. An explosion of crime and poverty. Of course the Republicans wont want to PAY for their care, because THAT would be Socialism. A million plus by your figures a year. I smell a TAX increase. That oughta make you nervous, if nothing else.

 

It sounds like you want to be some kind of morality police with fear of unabortable pregnancy as your enforcer. I'd say you dont like women much, you just dont realize it. You see them as chattle to be molded however you please. Dont expect everyone to go along with that kind of nonsense.

 

I suppose your against contraception too, huh? Bristol Palin is a prime example of how Republican policies dont work. No sex ed, no contraception and then ooops. Yeah she should be commended alright. If it didnt work for her, what chance have the rest of these kids got?

 

BTW, You never did answer my question about having sex out of wedlock. Because if you ever did, that makes your position quite hypocritical.

 

KC666

 

This is something the left has brought up in every elsection. Its a bunch of crap, they know but are hoping you'll buy into it. I think its funny all the insults 666 has thrown around. He gets to say when life begins too. He talks about rape but not the 93% (yes, google realy works) of abortions that are for convienience. Oh and by the way, your elderly mother is infringing on your rights, maybe we should abort her

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I appreciate what your saying, but I doubt in reality you could live your views in the unfortunate event it would come to pass. I think anyone can change their views when confronted with the reality of it.

 

The point is, it's not for you , or me or anyone else not directly involved in the baby making process, to tell a women what to do.

 

McCain and Palin will FORCE women to give birth...ALWAYS.

 

I dont think any tempers will flare, its good to examine ones views to make sure they are based in reality.

If what I'm calmly saying makes anyone mad, take a deep breath. We are just discussing ideas. If your ideas are sound, reality should line up nicely. If it doesnt, you might pause to think about it.

 

I dont think McCain or Palin have done that and thats the whole problem. Sarah Palin talked about her daughter making the "right choice". Well in Sarahs perfect world there would be no choice, even if her daughter have become pregant through a violent crime.

 

KC666

 

I understand where you are coming from.The government should not be allowed to force views on the people,The people should be able to make decisions for themselves.

As bad as this may sound a life is a life and if it was meant to be regardless of how terrible the means may have been.I must admit when it comes to matters of this type I refer to the hand book given to us known in my religion as the Bible.I will not force my views on others.I will not change them up to make crappy circumstances more convenient.I do TRY to live my life in some sort of moral fashion but am not a member of the morality police as I am nowhere near a perfect person.Not even close.

In the end it will be YOU and your maker if you believe as I do and that will have no chance for deviation from the rules.

I also cannot honestly say that my integrity has not been tested in a situation other than the early coming of my 15 year old son out of wedlock.

He made it here,I'm sure he has a purpose other than to get on my nerves :censored::hysterical:

It's your life so live it how you feel fit but in the end it will come back to bite you in the azz.

Mark

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Is giving birth to a baby so bad? Give it up for adoption. It's not the kid's fault! There are plenty of people around who want to adopt children.

 

KC I am wondering what is truly motivating your intensity for this issue.

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They dont have the votes to overturn it now. If McCain gets in they will. But your saying your in favor of women being forced to bear children from rapists? I'm just wondering YOUR position. Now , today, do you HAVE one ? Scared to sound off? Lets hear it Doc. I think its pretty scary that ANYONE in the govvernment would claim that kind of power, and yet you are backing people who are doing just that.

 

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Do you not read? Forgetting about my other posts where I've said that I am pro-abortion as long as it is within reason, nowhere in my reply to you did I say that I was in favor of any of the above. I guarantee you that I'm not a one issue voter.

 

I don't tolerate the idea that one race is entitled to hate another race by virture of the color of their skin, and that includes blacks. I don't buy for one second that Obama sat in a church for 20 years and didn't hear his preacher preach hate. I don't buy for one second that Farrakhan supports Obama because Obama thinks differently than he does. I don't buy into Obama saying he's fighting for the little guy when I hear him repeatedly ridicule "Joe the plumber" for asking him a valid question. I don't buy into the idea of cutting my taxes AFTER the Bush tax cuts expire, and then having the $250,000 income target shrink. I don't buy into Obama's explanation that he and Ayers just sat on a board together, and that he hardly knew the guy.

 

I mean really, do I have to go on?

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Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are fundamentally built on the principle that you have the right to do anything, until you infringe upon the rights of others. You have the freedom of religion, for instance, and may practice it in any way you wish. But there is nothing that says you can push your beliefs or legislate your 'values' onto anyone else. You may choose for yourself that abortion is not your choice, but you don't get to choose for the general population. To outlaw abortion is to do just that - push your values on someone else's body. You take away their right to choose. As stated above - you don't have the right to take away someone else's right. I don't believe Roe v. Wade will be overturned ever on this principle alone. Though I'm not willing to take a chance. We just came as close to an American theocracy as we ever should. There's a reason why we have a separation of church and state. That's not to protect the church from the state, but rather protect the state from the church. Bad things happen when the church has power. i.e. the Inquisition; the Dark Ages; Galileo was considered a heretic.

 

Feel free to have your beliefs and values. Don't try to legislate them for the rest of us.

 

Child molestation, rape, murder, etc, are "values" that are legislated. According to you that's wrong?

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Child molestation, rape, murder, etc, are "values" that are legislated. According to you that's wrong?

 

Snake Doc, anything that cramps thier style is a violation of thier rights. How does a society make laws without a moral compass?

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And Kingcobra is right - abortions will never go away. The question is - where will women go? To an abortion clinic - or to some back alley - or worse?

 

Exactly! I don't want women turning to coat hangers because someone forced them into it.

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I propose we no longer allow political discussions on this site. Since everyone has such different opinions I feel we would be better off talking about what we are all on this site for; we enjoy our cars.

 

I will say this and that's it......I have seen more than most of you when it comes to life and death and have saved both mothers and babies from certain death. You can call me any name you want, I could give a damn, but won't tolerate being compared to a subhuman like Dr. Joseph Mangela. Got IT?

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