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Another thought just poped into my Head............................I hate it when that happens........... :hysterical:

 

There has been a lot of Human Bombs over seas that only kill a hand full of People ............................. If they really want to screw things up here in the USA, all they have to do now is get in Line at a Major Airport and press the Button. That will close down that Airport for a long time and possibly several others and really mess things up here.................................

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wife and her sister went to vegas not to far back .... and they felt like second class citizens .... the way the TSA talked to them ..... and treated them and everyone in general .....

 

Whats worse ..... the lack of quality people they hire ...... theres talk about unionizing TSA ...... thats another crock ... guareenteed income for under achievers..... similair to our teacher's unions

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Another thought just poped into my Head............................I hate it when that happens........... :hysterical:

 

There has been a lot of Human Bombs over seas that only kill a hand full of People ............................. If they really want to screw things up here in the USA, all they have to do now is get in Line at a Major Airport and press the Button. That will close down that Airport for a long time and possibly several others and really mess things up here.................................

 

Great...now they have a new idea...I hate when those ideas pop into your head too!! :hysterical:

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wife and her sister went to vegas not to far back .... and they felt like second class citizens .... the way the TSA talked to them ..... and treated them and everyone in general .....

 

Whats worse ..... the lack of quality people they hire ...... theres talk about unionizing TSA ...... thats another crock ... guareenteed income for under achievers..... similair to our teacher's unions

 

 

So what you are saying is that you believe all teachers are under-achievers??

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Why? If they really wanted to take down the plane they would not have to carry on any weapons or explosives.

 

 

+1 My brother in law is a pilot and he said its BS because he could get on the plane naked and still take down the plane easily. We are truly in their hands when we fly. I am not trilled with either of these new "screening" options.

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Riddle me this Batman.

 

Has there been any, even a single, "terrorist" with bombs or anyone with intent ever been caught going through the airport scanners? Sure, there are lots of kids with knives and even a few people with handguns - but noone that could be identified as having intent of taking a plane down.

 

It's a waste of time and money. All it gives is a false feeling of security. A way to give more worthless government employees pensions. These are the ones that couldn't get into the postal service. Make you feel better?

 

As demonstrated, it's lots easier to get by air cargo.

 

Oh, don't bring any toner or ink jet cartridges on your flight.

 

I hate flying for this reason. What a crock.

 

Sorry for the delay, saves from backscatter (airport scanners) are classified, but recent Capital Hill testimony by Transportation Security Administration Administrator John Pistole Senate Commerce Committee on Capitol Hill put numbers over 100 to date.

 

PS Article just for reference, does not mention actual numbers.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworl...A3_ULNSrn741925

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I wonder if Pilots have to be Patted Down or Scanned? I think they should.

 

 

They are

 

They will now be exempt...

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_bi_ge/us_airport_security_pilots

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I fly quite often, especially lately. In fact, I leave Vienna tomorrow morning for Frankfurt, then on to SFO in the afternoon.

Personally, I'm all for any and all additional security measures in place that might help stop an attack of any kind. I couldn't care less if I have to arrive at the airport 2 days before my flight, if it's for a good reason.

Are these scanners going to stop anyone from taking down a plane? Maybe not. But the older systems aren't any better, so I'm happy they're at least trying to get things locked down better than they were.

I'm honestly surprised that there haven't been several more successful transit attacks here in Europe and back in the States since 9/11. I think that luck has played a much bigger role than anyone likes to admit, but we won't be lucky forever. The first time since 2001 that a plane hits the ground (or worse) domestically, people will once again be demanding that any and all additional security measures be put in place. This is one of the few times that TSA seems to be ahead of the game and for that I'm grateful.

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Another riddle is: Why aren't these scanners used for people getting on flights TO the United States :unsure:

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the whole system is flawed... Even while active duty my name showed up on a no fly list (this required a supervisor to look at my credentials)and at the time i held a top secret security clearance. Now I still cant get my name off the "list" So i cant check in early... sux when flying southwest! Lots of "pat-downs" done here in Vegas it seems always the hot chicks r getting patted down! and I heard them(TSA) say that the scanner shows the length of peoples manliness as well as the size of ones breasts.How sick is that? (look @ some of the "saved scans" online).

The emphasis needs to be on intel and profiling. this system seems to be based on that everyone is the same risk therefore the same degrading scan or the perverted grope...

but on the other hand Europeans dont treat the human body as "Taboo" nudity is common and not "dirty" scanners would not effect 90% of Europeans I would wager!!!!!!!

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TSA needs TECHNOLOGY to make them more effective. As President Obama said 2 nights ago, AT THE MOMENT, this is the best we've got. Pre-TSA, airline security was definitely what terrorists considered a "soft target" was unorganized, no standards, with no or barely any backgound and some were illegal immigrants with fake docs.

 

 

In general the public has always hated security. It slows people down and tests the patience of those who don't have any. We live in a different world now than we did before 9/11. What would happen if TSA backed off all the security procedures that annoy people and another plane was lost? I would wage we'd see whining about how TSA isn't being proactive enough. People will never be happy no matter what balance we have with safety/security and privacy.

 

So what does everyone suggest the government should do to protect and secure the aviation passenger and cargo sector?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So what does everyone suggest the government should do to protect and secure the aviation passenger and cargo sector?

 

 

I suggest we were doing enough before the porn scanners and pedophile searches started. It was bad enough before. Now, its beyond reason. But frankly, all this trouble and tremendous, unnecessary cost could be avoided if they would simply profile people. It's absolutely ludicrous that they don't.

 

Edit - in addition, I recommend that they send all the TSA agents to guard the Mexican boarder, as Gov. Rick Perry of TX has suggested.

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Use of race by Federal Law Enforcement Agencies and Officials is forbidden under federal law. So the G announces "profiling" instead of "scanners" and we have the same public reaction with an equal amount of opposing views. Now we are back to square one, next suggestion.

 

 

 

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YOU HAVE TO PROFILE plain and simple its another tool that has to be used This country got pussiefied with the political correctness...

if police see someone that appears underage driving do they stop them and check their license? YES and that's profiling. as well as holiday DUI checkpoints (set up around the party places sports events)

On the northwest coast alot of crime is done by Asian gangsters so the awareness is more emphasized on that group

On the east coast areas of high crime are committed by eastern block gangsters so awareness is higher there also.

In Florida its the Cuban gangs as well as the Haitian gangs committing crimes thus the higher awarness

Here in the SW and border towns its the mexican cartels the salvadorian gangs and mexican gangs more profiling

I lived in Germany and traveled throughout the world. their problems are Turks and Muslims and they do profile believe me Same in France Switzerland Austria and others.

America has let so many illegal aliens from many different nations live here and see how soft our laws are commit crimes and don't even get deported 29% of our entire prison population is illegal aliens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its a fact that over 95% of aircraft related crime has been carried out by muslims. Their religion rewards them richly for acts of martyrdom go figure Sorry but until something happens to change the picture they must be profiled!!!!

The groping is total BS I will accept the "pornscanner" People need to set aside their modesty and move on.. But in 20 years of frequent flying what does that exposure do to our bodies????

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There will be a terrorist attack on a airline no matter the security as long as they are letting the Terrorist board planes with NO security checks. Its just a matter of time period. O don't think kids nor little old grannies post a threat to American Security its the Islamic radicals that our threatning to kill Americans.As long as we our bending over and letting these groups that R threatning Americans go through securtiy I would be very very scared if I was flying. I see that TSA are backing off just a little when they said they would NOT. Keep it up AMERICA we will over come this stand up and be " LOUD AND PROUD" Remember wed day do not go through the scanners. The only way to do this the right way is to PROFILE THE ENEMY.... If they want to be serious about this all other efforts is just stepping all over our 4th Ammendment right. OR just follow the Money to be made..

 

They told us if Republicans were in charge, we would be living in a police state. They told us if conservatives were in charge, our rights would be forfeited.

 

And here we go. Our rights forfeited. The police state.

 

In liberal land, where this behavior is, now, apparently the new normal.

 

Cameras are being confiscated now, the natural next step to preserving the police state. The natural next step in quelling public argument. Rather than let witnesses record the outrages taking place in airports around the country, the TSA is confiscating cameras even though there is no policy against it. And why would or should there be, if you're not doing anything wrong, TSA?......The American way....Ya right.

 

 

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YOU HAVE TO PROFILE plain and simple its another tool that has to be used This country got pussiefied with the political correctness...

if police see someone that appears underage driving do they stop them and check their license? YES and that's profiling. as well as holiday DUI checkpoints (set up around the party places sports events)

On the northwest coast alot of crime is done by Asian gangsters so the awareness is more emphasized on that group

On the east coast areas of high crime are committed by eastern block gangsters so awareness is higher there also.

In Florida its the Cuban gangs as well as the Haitian gangs committing crimes thus the higher awarness

Here in the SW and border towns its the mexican cartels the salvadorian gangs and mexican gangs more profiling

I lived in Germany and traveled throughout the world. their problems are Turks and Muslims and they do profile believe me Same in France Switzerland Austria and others.

America has let so many illegal aliens from many different nations live here and see how soft our laws are commit crimes and don't even get deported 29% of our entire prison population is illegal aliens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its a fact that over 95% of aircraft related crime has been carried out by muslims. Their religion rewards them richly for acts of martyrdom go figure Sorry but until something happens to change the picture they must be profiled!!!!

The groping is total BS I will accept the "pornscanner" People need to set aside their modesty and move on.. But in 20 years of frequent flying what does that exposure do to our bodies????

 

 

I agree 100%. Can't deport'em fast enough. Not going to post who I work for, but it involves both immigration and terrorism. I wish I could post specifics on "saves" and "prevented attacks". All I can say is that we try very hard and do our best with the tool, assets and current political air we are provided. From Thanksgiving to New Years Day you would not believe the amount of terrorist threats the NY/NJ area gets. Getting called out in the middle of Christmas dinner always goes over well with the family.

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I THOUGHT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO STOMP ON OUR 4TH AMMENDMENT RIGHT. Its just a start to try to bring us into a police state. I dont think little old ladys and 1 year old to 10 years old when the buzzer does not go off getting striped searched. That is sick.When will the Goverment say that R train stations are terrorist targets and they need to have body scanners there and what happens when the Bus stations R deemed a terrorist targets and they call for body scanners there.Once you stop it in one place they will move to another place and that is when the police state will come full circle. This needs to be stopped now.PROFILING is the way to go about it along with the security before they shoved this unamerican police state BS down our throats. I got a video for you to watch..this kid is being strip searched..This is WRONG! treated worse than the terrorist R. I hope some of you are disturbed by this video. I could not watch it . This kid will never ever forget this. Its so sad that we have come to this ALL in the name of security. Whats next! To view video right click and then open.. TSA Warns: Submit Or Pay.....sounds like NAZI Germany to me.They put a high fine of 11,000 thousand dollars to shut you up. Americans know days or any days can't afford 100 dollars let alone 11 thou. Wonder who the master mind of that was.x cia agent... code name Big Ballsou812 I could tell you more bu I would have to ##### U.lol

 

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TSA Warns: Submit Or Pay.....sounds like NAZI Germany to me.

 

 

Your Delusional........................... :hysterical:

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I THOUGHT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO STOMP ON OUR 4TH AMMENDMENT RIGHT. Its just a start to try to bring us into a police state. I dont think little old ladys and 1 year old to 10 years old when the buzzer does not go off getting striped searched. That is sick.When will the Goverment say that R train stations are terrorist targets and they need to have body scanners there and what happens when the Bus stations R deemed a terrorist targets and they call for body scanners there.Once you stop it in one place they will move to another place and that is when the police state will come full circle. This needs to be stopped now.PROFILING is the way to go about it along with the security before they shoved this unamerican police state BS down our throats. I got a video for you to watch..this kid is being strip searched..This is WRONG! treated worse than the terrorist R. I hope some of you are disturbed by this video. I could not watch it . This kid will never ever forget this. Its so sad that we have come to this ALL in the name of security. Whats next! To view video right click and then open.. TSA Warns: Submit Or Pay.....sounds like NAZI Germany to me.They put a high fine of 11,000 thousand dollars to shut you up. Americans know days or any days can't afford 100 dollars let alone 11 thou. Wonder who the master mind of that was.x cia agent... code name Big Ballsou812 I could tell you more bu I would have to ##### U.lol

 

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Although the following examples are not terrorist related, age, gender, sex ............etc doesn't mean anything when it comes to criminal activity.

 

Personal Experience:

 

Little old lady with kilos of cocaine stuffed inside her wheelchair at JFK

 

2yr old's stuffed animals stuffed with heroine at JFK

 

Dogs with surgically inserted kilos of cocaine and heroine inside of them at JFK

 

Internal drug "mules" aka swallowers, along with vaginal and anal inserts of cocaine and heroine at JFK

 

Reports/training:

 

A popular training video in which an "old man" shoots and kills 2 Customs officers while in secondary

 

People with narcotics surgically inserted inside their calves and quads

 

Probably the most disturbing report and photos were of 2 infants at a Texas POE that had been killed, cut open, stuffed with narcotics, placed in car seats and attempted to be smuggled into the US. If it wasn't for the officer attempting to wake the children up they would have been successful.

 

If your ever in New Jersey, stop by Newark, I can show you 10yr old's dealing drugs on street corners

 

I can go on and on and on with examples. Albeit, these are drug smuggling examples the same methods can employed for explosives, explosive devices and detonators.

 

Back to airport searches; the Ninth Circuit held that airport searches no longer are dependent upon implied consent; they are now administrative searches because flying on an airplane in a post-9/11 world is now the same as a "highly regulated industry." Any "implied consent," thus, cannot be revoked once the passenger elects to enter the secure area. Such searches, however, are not limitless; they are limited by their justification: screening for terrorists. This search was reasonable under the circumstances. United States v. Aukai, 497 F.3d 955 (9th Cir. 2007) (en banc): We have held that airport screening searches, like the one at issue here, are constitutionally reasonable administrative searches because they are "conducted as part of a general regulatory scheme in furtherance of an administrative purpose, namely, to prevent the carrying of weapons or explosives aboard aircraft, and thereby to prevent hijackings." United States v. Davis, 482 F.2d 893, 908 (9th Cir. 1973); see also United States v. Hartwell, 436 F.3d 174, 178 (3d Cir.), cert. denied, 127 S. Ct. 111 (2006); Marquez, 410 F.3d at 616. Our case law, however, has erroneously suggested that the reasonableness of airport screening searches is dependent upon consent, either ongoing consent or irrevocable implied consent.

 

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1265662.html

 

Bottom line is if you wanted to search everyone that stepped foot inside your house you have the right do so, they can tell you to pound sand and you can tell them get the hell off my property.

 

While I find your views entertaining and a bit much, I personally have had bad experiences with TSA both on and off duty, but those experiences had more to do with the individual then TSA policy

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Although the following examples are not terrorist related, age, gender, sex ............etc doesn't mean anything when it comes to criminal activity.

 

Personal Experience:

 

Little old lady with kilos of cocaine stuffed inside her wheelchair at JFK

 

2yr old's stuffed animals stuffed with heroine at JFK

 

Dogs with surgically inserted kilos of cocaine and heroine inside of them at JFK

 

Internal drug "mules" aka swallowers, along with vaginal and anal inserts of cocaine and heroine at JFK

 

Reports/training:

 

A popular training video in which an "old man" shoots and kills 2 Customs officers while in secondary

 

People with narcotics surgically inserted inside their calves and quads

 

Probably the most disturbing report and photos were of 2 infants at a Texas POE that had been killed, cut open, stuffed with narcotics, placed in car seats and attempted to be smuggled into the US. If it wasn't for the officer attempting to wake the children up they would have been successful.

 

If your ever in New Jersey, stop by Newark, I can show you 10yr old's dealing drugs on street corners

 

I can go on and on and on with examples. Albeit, these are drug smuggling examples the same methods can employed for explosives, explosive devices and detonators.

 

Back to airport searches; the Ninth Circuit held that airport searches no longer are dependent upon implied consent; they are now administrative searches because flying on an airplane in a post-9/11 world is now the same as a "highly regulated industry." Any "implied consent," thus, cannot be revoked once the passenger elects to enter the secure area. Such searches, however, are not limitless; they are limited by their justification: screening for terrorists. This search was reasonable under the circumstances. United States v. Aukai, 497 F.3d 955 (9th Cir. 2007) (en banc): We have held that airport screening searches, like the one at issue here, are constitutionally reasonable administrative searches because they are "conducted as part of a general regulatory scheme in furtherance of an administrative purpose, namely, to prevent the carrying of weapons or explosives aboard aircraft, and thereby to prevent hijackings." United States v. Davis, 482 F.2d 893, 908 (9th Cir. 1973); see also United States v. Hartwell, 436 F.3d 174, 178 (3d Cir.), cert. denied, 127 S. Ct. 111 (2006); Marquez, 410 F.3d at 616. Our case law, however, has erroneously suggested that the reasonableness of airport screening searches is dependent upon consent, either ongoing consent or irrevocable implied consent.

 

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1265662.html

 

Bottom line is if you wanted to search everyone that stepped foot inside your house you have the right do so, they can tell you to pound sand and you can tell them get the hell off my property.

 

While I find your views entertaining and a bit much, I personally have had bad experiences with TSA both on and off duty, but those experiences had more to do with the individual then TSA policy

 

I love your examples. If I were to follow that you should not be allowed to own your Shelby because people with Hot Rod's have been speeding, causing trouble,some have even killed people! So to protect us we need to restrict the speed and acceleration of your car. For the safety of all! :headscratch:

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HUMMMMMMM...........I wonder what will happen if Everyone "Ops Out" of Flying?

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I read today that a lot of the Government Officials can By-Pass Security all together now.................... :headscratch: WTH?

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I read today that a lot of the Government Officials can By-Pass Security all together now.................... :headscratch: WTH?

 

 

 

 

And they're the ones that should be nuked the most... :hysterical:

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And they're the ones that should be nuked the most... :hysterical:

 

 

svtkeith,

 

Oh boy... you're on their list now! :hysterical:

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Glad you loved them, but the point of the examples were to illustrate the fact that when it comes to criminal activity anyone regardless of age, gender, race, religion or sex can be involved in criminal activity.

 

The speed and acceleration of you vehicle is already restricted by state vehicle traffic laws and factory installed governors/speed limiters. While your vehicle Of course the speed limits can be broken and the vehicle computer system be modified to eliminate these restrictions, but then there are consequences. Back in the day you could "street race" and get away with a ticket, now your car is confiscated and you may be criminally charged.

 

Also, all new vehicles are equipped with " black boxes" and have been for some time now. These on-board data logging systems record everything you and your car do and the information can be retrieved for both criminal and civil court proceedings. So if you brake the law by speeding and kill somebody, your Shelby will tell your insurance company and law enforcement how fast you were going, when you applied the brakes......................etc

 

Not saying not to fly or not to own a Shelby, but with both and almost everything we do in life there are "regulations" and the consequences of violating those regulations.

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Glad you loved them, but the point of the examples were to illustrate the fact that when it comes to criminal activity anyone regardless of age, gender, race, religion or sex can be involved in criminal activity.

 

The speed and acceleration of you vehicle is already restricted by state vehicle traffic laws and factory installed governors/speed limiters. While your vehicle Of course the speed limits can be broken and the vehicle computer system be modified to eliminate these restrictions, but then there are consequences. Back in the day you could "street race" and get away with a ticket, now your car is confiscated and you may be criminally charged.

 

Also, all new vehicles are equipped with " black boxes" and have been for some time now. These on-board data logging systems record everything you and your car do and the information can be retrieved for both criminal and civil court proceedings. So if you brake the law by speeding and kill somebody, your Shelby will tell your insurance company and law enforcement how fast you were going, when you applied the brakes......................etc

 

Not saying not to fly or not to own a Shelby, but with both and almost everything we do in life there are "regulations" and the consequences of violating those regulations.

 

Thanks point taken. The Black Boxes on cars are not the same as airplanes and the press has made people think they can do more than they really can. If they did all that people thought they did my job in diag. would sure be allot easier. They have gotten allot better but not that good although the state of Ca. is trying to get a way to do real time data acquisition though GPS to monitor your speed and emissions. Now that is really scary!

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Thanks point taken. The Black Boxes on cars are not the same as airplanes and the press has made people think they can do more than they really can. If they did all that people thought they did my job in diag. would sure be allot easier. They have gotten allot better but not that good although the state of Ca. is trying to get a way to do real time data acquisition though GPS to monitor your speed and emissions. Now that is really scary!

 

 

The Black Boxes on cars are not the same as airplanes is so true......The Black Boxes in the Cars don't record the passenger sreaming like a little school Girl when the Speedometer hits 154 MPH. :hysterical:

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The Black Boxes on cars are not the same as airplanes is so true......The Black Boxes in the Cars don't record the passenger sreaming like a little school Girl when the Speedometer hits 154 MPH. :hysterical:

 

 

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The dash mounted camera does that.

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I saw on the news that there are some guys going to wear Kilts. Ought to be interesting. The calf and thigh search might result in some interesting airport stories.

 

Just for Yucks and Grins I might go through security on the scanner, then remember I have to get something on the other side and go back again and get the pat down :)

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If I ever get Drunk enough or Crazy enough to Fly...............I plan to eat several "Fiber One" Bars before hand and opt out of the scanner...............They give me Gas real bad....REAL BAD, I'd feel sorry for anyone standing close by (with in 20 feet)..................... :hysterical:

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