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1 hour ago, Mongoose said:

 I got a better idea, how about “YOU” telling us about some of your cool stories while cruising the streets of Detroit!!     :thumbsup:

:yup:

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22 minutes ago, Mongoose said:

Hey Len,  I’ll second mach 1, welcome aboard!     :salute:

Many thanks!  I'm very pleased to join your ranks!

 

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32 minutes ago, mach 1 1970 said:

Wow 9 post you are brand spankin new on here. Welcome aboard......:rockon:

Many thanks!

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2 minutes ago, Len Musgrove said:

Many thanks!  I'm very pleased to join your ranks!

 

:thumbsup:    Welcome aboard Len!

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OK you asked for it Sean and Mongoose. 

Detroit....the home of Motown and the big 3. Growing up in Detroit as a teen in the early 60’s was all about getting your drivers license at 16. Once you got that you were in heaven. Nothing else mattered because everything centered around having wheels and talking you’re parents into buying something cool. 

The big place to be seen and see the real cool cars that Detroit was coming out with.....was Woodward ave. I saw my first 64 midnight blue GTO and few rare Z16’s ..65 SS 396’s. . Royal Pontiac was located there. The Royal bobcat treatment really meant something back then. Turning those tigers into a Woodward ave beast that few guys could shut down back then . Many engineers from the big 3 would test out their hot projects on Woodward ave. Boy those were the days and was lucky to be in the middle of all that. Lucky for me I didn’t get to many tickets and was able to take part in all those crazy teenage nights. 23 cents a gallon also helped with Sunoco 260 in your tank  

GTO’s  with those small tires and drum rear brakes we figured out their limits.. Our parents trusted us and were talked into to buying them. So common sense was very important back then. Those days have stayed with me all these years later . We are living in another time just like back in the 60’s. So many great cars to choose from today and the ability to buy .... No parents help this time ......:hysterical2: 

But still a lot common sense .

Later old slo lane memories. 

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3 hours ago, Len Musgrove said:

Many thanks!  I'm very pleased to join your ranks!

 

 

Welcome aboard Len...……...:thumbsup:

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3 hours ago, mach 1 1970 said:

OK you asked for it Sean and Mongoose. 

Detroit....the home of Motown and the big 3. Growing up in Detroit as a teen in the early 60’s was all about getting your drivers license at 16. Once you got that you were in heaven. Nothing else mattered because everything centered around having wheels and talking you’re parents into buying something cool. 

The big place to be seen and see the real cool cars that Detroit was coming out with.....was Woodward ave. I saw my first 64 midnight blue GTO and few rare Z16’s ..65 SS 396’s. . Royal Pontiac was located there. The Royal bob cat treatment really meant something back then. Turning those tigers into a Woodward ave beast that few guys could shut down back then . Many engineers from the big 3 would test out their hot projects on Woodward ave. Boy those were the days and was lucky to be in the middle of all that. Lucky for me I didn’t get to many tickets and was able to take part in all those crazy teenage nights. 23 cents a gallon also helped with Sunoco 260 in your tank  

GTO’s  with those small tires and drum rear brakes we figured out their limits.. Our parents trusted us and were talked into to buying them. So common sense was very important back then. Those days have stayed with me all these years later . We are living in another time just like back in the 60’s. So many great cars to choose from today and the ability to buy .... No parents help this time ......:hysterical2: 

But still a lot common sense .

Later old slo lane memories. 

 

Wow that must have been some fun to watch....beautiful times just as the muscle car wars were starting......:rockon:

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Mike slo lane- So am I understanding correctly that the activities summarized in your post regarding Woodward Ave happened on a public operated street? And that engineers employed by American automakers also participated in said activities on the same said public street?

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3 hours ago, Secondo said:

Mike slo lane- So am I understanding correctly that the activities summarized in your post regarding Woodward Ave happened on a public operated street? And that engineers employed by American automakers also participated in said activities on the same said public street?

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Duh!!   :drop:

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Hey Slo Lane, and the rest of you “VETTE” lovers!!   P.S.    Being it’s a little slowwwww on here tonight, I thought you might enjoy a very cool pic from the “Archives” that will never happen again in the modern Salvage Yard!!                 I’ll name this Pic: Corvette Restorers Dream Yard”!!      :drop:                            P.S. If you added up the value of all the parts and body pieces from all those Vettes in todays prices, you would end up a very rich man!!!     :thumbsup:              J.M.O.          Later Guys!!!!          “GOOSE”     :peelout:

 

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2 hours ago, Mongoose said:

Duh!!   :drop:

Oh, so it's only ok if you do it.

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8 hours ago, Mongoose said:

Hey Slo Lane, and the rest of you “VETTE” lovers!!   P.S.    Being it’s a little slowwwww on here tonight, I thought you might enjoy a very cool pic from the “Archives” that will never happen again in the modern Salvage Yard!!                 I’ll name this Pic: Corvette Restorers Dream Yard”!!      :drop:                            P.S. If you added up the value of all the parts and body pieces from all those Vettes in todays prices, you would end up a very rich man!!!     :thumbsup:              J.M.O.          Later Guys!!!!          “GOOSE”     :peelout:

 

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Just wonder how old that picture is....true that Goose today that heap of junk would make a person some good coin.

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9 hours ago, Secondo said:

Oh, so it's only ok if you do it.

:club:

 

 

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Let’s see a 47 / 57 year old acting like a 17 / 19 year old behind the wheel of a car....... Go figure Right Mongoose.

Those engineers were showing off their stuff and not necessarily racing. Stop light to stop light on Woodward ave wasn’t anything super fast. Actually when most guys did race it was on a new Interstate that wasn’t open yet. These guys had spotters set up for the cops and pretty organized. These were the Mopar and GM guys with serious hardware . We would have a caravan of cars going out to watch and race. Most of the guys I hung out with didn’t have anything super fast just cool cars to impress the girls. But there were some serious guys who had their reputations to keep up. That was Detroit back in the 60’s. Yes we also had Detroit dragway where their reputations would be put in the record books. 

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20 hours ago, mach 1 1970 said:

OK you asked for it Sean and Mongoose. 

Detroit....the home of Motown and the big 3. Growing up in Detroit as a teen in the early 60’s was all about getting your drivers license at 16. Once you got that you were in heaven. Nothing else mattered because everything centered around having wheels and talking you’re parents into buying something cool. 

The big place to be seen and see the real cool cars that Detroit was coming out with.....was Woodward ave. I saw my first 64 midnight blue GTO and few rare Z16’s ..65 SS 396’s. . Royal Pontiac was located there. The Royal bob cat treatment really meant something back then. Turning those tigers into a Woodward ave beast that few guys could shut down back then . Many engineers from the big 3 would test out their hot projects on Woodward ave. Boy those were the days and was lucky to be in the middle of all that. Lucky for me I didn’t get to many tickets and was able to take part in all those crazy teenage nights. 23 cents a gallon also helped with Sunoco 260 in your tank  

GTO’s  with those small tires and drum rear brakes we figured out their limits.. Our parents trusted us and were talked into to buying them. So common sense was very important back then. Those days have stayed with me all these years later . We are living in another time just like back in the 60’s. So many great cars to choose from today and the ability to buy .... No parents help this time ......:hysterical2: 

But still a lot common sense .

Later old slo lane memories. 

According to the Docu-Series Didn't John Delorian Drag Race the "NEW" GTO on Woodward Ave. before he got approval for it?

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1 hour ago, tesgt350 said:

According to the Docu-Series Didn't John Delorian Drag Race the "NEW" GTO on Woodward Ave. before he got approval for it?

Yes something like that. These engineers ( and no pay ) would work on their projects on the weekends behind closed doors. This way GM didn’t get any heads up about their intentions. Remember GM didn’t allow the 389 engine in the tempest in 1964. The GTO was an option not a model back in 1964.

My older sister ( a school teacher at the time) had a 64 olds F85 with the 330 engine and 4bbl 4 speed . It wasn’t a 1964 442 but close and just as fast. Guess who talked her into buying that ? . She let me use it a couple of nights. I raced a 65 Chevelle with a 327/ 350 hp engine and yes he beat me. The 442 didn’t get the 400 engine until 1965 . The 65 goat was the car to have with the Tri power set up. 

Woodward ave 13 mile stretch wasn’t the only place we cruised ....telegraph ave was another great hangout. Big boys drive in and Daly’s were the main attractions back then. On the weekend it was just cars and girls. Nobody bothered with dates because your buddies wouldn’t allow it. Everyone put 75 cents in for gas and off you went. 

Below is an add before the 64 GTO came out . Royal Pontiac was the hot place to get a tune. Later they were famous for the Bobcat treatment for your goat . Pontiac was the hot car from Detroit in the early 60’s .

Later slo lane down memory lane 

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The latest  C8 meme going around. This one is for Mongoose.....:hysterical2:

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Thanks for the history lesson, Mike.  The first musclecar era. The GTO's and Chevelles seemed to be top dogs then (1965). Ford didn't have anything as quick?

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2 hours ago, Secondo said:

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Thanks for the history lesson, Mike.  The first musclecar era. The GTO's and Chevelles seemed to be top dogs then (1965). Ford didn't have anything as quick?

The Mustang didn’t compete on the streets until a Tasca ford dealership convinced ford to create the 428 CJ  late in 1968. The 390 in the fairlane 500 before the CJ didn’t get much attention on the street scene. Nope Ford was asleep 💤  at the wheel for us street guys until the CJ . Heck my dad worked for Ford.engineering . He would say “just wait until you see Indy” .... Indy what’s that got to do with us guys I’d reply. He even bought a 62 Pontiac catilina and parked it at the Ford’s engineering building.....They got the idea  💡 

The 65 hipo mustang was not condsided a muscle car. There were a few cruising the Woodward ave scene and the fastbacks were cool as hell. I remember a buddy has a black 65 hipo fastback and it was cool in high school. This was a middle class neighborhood school and no corvettes or Shelby’s. One of my buddies father brought home a executive 64 mustang 260 coupe. That car was fun to cruse in because nobody saw one on the streets yet. It got tons of attention because it was one of the first mustangs. But not very fast and a boring automatic. Nothing us kids considered really cool. Certainly not a 64 GTO. That was the holy grail. 

One guy in high school did buy a 66 corvette 427 after he graduated but nobody liked to ride with him. He only had one eye and couldn’t judge  depth perception and scared the hell out of people. 

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2 hours ago, Secondo said:

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Thanks for the history lesson, Mike.  The first musclecar era. The GTO's and Chevelles seemed to be top dogs then (1965). Ford didn't have anything as quick?

 

In 65 Ford had the Fairlane with either the 427 Side Oiler or the 428 cui...some claim the 428 was faster than the 427 SO'r on the streets as the 427 was

more of a high rev'g race engine.

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3 hours ago, mach 1 1970 said:

The latest  C8 meme going around. This one is for Mongoose.....:hysterical2:

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Its ok if the guy only had one eye to drive because half the time only one head light popped up on the 1965 corvette anyway……..

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39 minutes ago, svtkeith said:

 

In 65 Ford had the Fairlane with either the 427 Side Oiler or the 428 cui...some claim the 428 was faster than the 427 SO'r on the streets as the 427 was

more of a high rev'g race engine.

 

In 1964 ford had the 427 fairlane thunderbolt built for super stock racing. But I never saw one on the streets and I think they were required to build 50 but I think they built like 111 or so  

For 1966 see below for info on the Fairlane 500 engines  

The GT/GTA 390 CID engine developed 335 bhp (250 kW) with higher compression, and had a four-barrel carburetor. Mid year, Ford produced 57 special Fairlane 500 two-door hardtops with "R-code" 427 cu in (7.0 L) V8 engine rated at 425 bhp (431 PS; 317 kW) @ 6000 rpm and 480 lb⋅ft (651 N⋅m) @ 3700 rpm of torque,[16] equipped with Ford's "Top-Loader" four-speed manual transmission. Built to qualify the engine/transmission combination for NHRA and IHRA Super Stock racing, they were white and had fiberglass hoods with a forward-facing hood scoop .

These were rare cars 57 built and nobody could get theirs hands on one for the street. 1967 saw even fewer 427 fairlanes built. 

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4 hours ago, mach 1 1970 said:

Let’s see a 47 / 57 year old acting like a 17 / 19 year old behind the wheel of a car....... Go figure Right Mongoose.

Those engineers were showing off their stuff and not necessarily racing. Stop light to stop light on Woodward ave wasn’t anything super fast. Actually when most guys did race it was on a new Interstate that wasn’t open yet. These guys had spotters set up for the cops and pretty organized. These were the Mopar and GM guys with serious hardware . We would have a caravan of cars going out to watch and race. Most of the guys I hung out with didn’t have anything super fast just cool cars to impress the girls. But there were some serious guys who had their reputations to keep up. That was Detroit back in the 60’s. Yes we also had Detroit dragway where their reputations would be put in the record books. 

Hey Slo Lane, love your reply, buddy!     Yes,there was a lot of street racing back then, but it usually was fairly organized and in remote locations when possible.   I’ll admit I had a Hell of a lot of “Fun” pulling those “Gears” back then!    Most of us were pretty responsible when and wear we did the racing.   I was just a very young guy with a very cool and fast car, and I loved Racing!   As you mature into adult hood you realize some choices weren’t always the best!    You learn from your mistakes, and hopefully you can pass on what you learned to the “Younger Generation”, but only if they’ll (LISTEN)!!!        Today’s streets and highways are way to busy and crowded with all those on and off ramps connecting!     Also, the fines for drag racing are very high, and the Insurance companies will soak the Hell out of you for Auto Insurance!   In today’s Society I would take all Racing to a track or abandoned Air Strip!         J.M.O.         “GOOSE”     :peelout:

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4 hours ago, mach 1 1970 said:

Yes something like that. These engineers ( and no pay ) would work on their projects on the weekends behind closed doors. This way GM didn’t get any heads up about their intentions. Remember GM didn’t allow the 389 engine in the tempest in 1964. The GTO was an option not a model back in 1964.

My older sister ( a school teacher at the time) had a 64 olds F85 with the 330 engine and 4bbl 4 speed . It wasn’t a 1964 442 but close and just as fast. Guess who talked her into buying that ? . She let me use it a couple of nights. I raced a 65 Chevelle with a 327/ 350 hp engine and yes he beat me. The 442 didn’t get the 400 engine until 1965 . The 65 goat was the car to have with the Tri power set up. 

Woodward ave 13 mile stretch wasn’t the only place we cruised ....telegraph ave was another great hangout. Big boys drive in and Daly’s were the main attractions back then. On the weekend it was just cars and girls. Nobody bothered with dates because your buddies wouldn’t allow it. Everyone put 75 cents in for gas and off you went. 

Below is an add before the 64 GTO came out . Royal Pontiac was the hot place to get a tune. Later they were famous for the Bobcat treatment for your goat . Pontiac was the hot car from Detroit in the early 60’s .

Later slo lane down memory lane 

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Hey Slo Lane, I want more “COOL” stories like that!!     Big boy’s drive-in, 65 Goats, cheap gas,  I’m right there with you buddy!!    Very “COOL”!!    :thumbsup:   Later Bud! “GOOSE":peelout:

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More on the thunderbolt if interested. Below 

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Modified, street-driven 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt factory experimental drag car

As the muscle car market took shape, Ford built a small number of Fairlane two door hard tops prepared for drag racing during the 1963 season.[citation needed] These cars were running the 289 and were set up at Dearborn Steel Tubing that built the special cars for Ford special vehicle operations .[citation needed] These soon evolved into the "Thunderbolts" for 1964. The racing Thunderbolt was a two door post car, heavily modified to incorporate Ford's new 427 CID (7.0 L) V8 race engine with two four-barrel carburetors on a high-riser manifold, ram-air through the openings left by deleting the inboard headlights, equal-length headers, trunk-mounted battery, several fiberglass parts (hood, door skins, fenders, and front bumper), acrylic glass windows, and other lightweight options, including deleted rear-door window winders, carpeting, radio, sealant, sun visors, armrests, jack, lug wrench, heater, soundproofing, and passenger-side windshield wiper. The cars wore Fairlane 500 trim, and were only offered with the two-door sedan body. This special model, of which 111 to 127 total were made (sources disagree),[who?] delivered 657 hp (490 kW) at 7,500 rpm[11] and was known as the Thunderbolt.

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3 hours ago, Secondo said:

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Thanks for the history lesson, Mike.  The first musclecar era. The GTO's and Chevelles seemed to be top dogs then (1965). Ford didn't have anything as quick?

Just for you,  my Black Vette,1964, would blow the doors off of those two cars!   Also, I have owned, in the past a 65 Goat, 389 / w tri-power.    Been there, done that!   :thumbsup:

P.S. I’m not bragging, just stating the facts that some Vettes were very fast back then!!

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50 minutes ago, svtkeith said:

 

In 65 Ford had the Fairlane with either the 427 Side Oiler or the 428 cui...some claim the 428 was faster than the 427 SO'r on the streets as the 427 was

more of a high rev'g race engine.

Hey Keefer, those were awesome engines back then!   The 428 Cobra-Jet that came out in 1968 was one of F!ord’s best engines ever made for all around use what-ever that was!    J.M.O.                   Later Bud!          “GOOSE”    :peelout:

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39 minutes ago, mach 1 1970 said:

In 1966 ford had the 427 fairlane 500. 

The GT/GTA 390 CID engine developed 335 bhp (250 kW) with higher compression, and had a four-barrel carburetor. Mid year, Ford produced 57 special Fairlane 500 two-door hardtops with "R-code" 427 cu in (7.0 L) V8 engine rated at 425 bhp (431 PS; 317 kW) @ 6000 rpm and 480 lb⋅ft (651 N⋅m) @ 3700 rpm of torque,[16] equipped with Ford's "Top-Loader" four-speed manual transmission. Built to qualify the engine/transmission combination for NHRA and IHRA Super Stock racing, they were white and had fiberglass hoods with a forward-facing hood scoop .

These were rare cars 57 built and nobody could get theirs hands on one for the street. 1967 saw even fewer 427 fairlanes built. 

The “FORD” light weights, were totally “AWESOME” cars, back in the day!!        Later Bud!                :peelout:

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17 minutes ago, mach 1 1970 said:

More on the thunderbolt if interested. Below 

220px-1964_thunderbolt.jpg
Modified, street-driven 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt factory experimental drag car

As the muscle car market took shape, Ford built a small number of Fairlane two door hard tops prepared for drag racing during the 1963 season.[citation needed] These cars were running the 289 and were set up at Dearborn Steel Tubing that built the special cars for Ford special vehicle operations .[citation needed] These soon evolved into the "Thunderbolts" for 1964. The racing Thunderbolt was a two door post car, heavily modified to incorporate Ford's new 427 CID (7.0 L) V8 race engine with two four-barrel carburetors on a high-riser manifold, ram-air through the openings left by deleting the inboard headlights, equal-length headers, trunk-mounted battery, several fiberglass parts (hood, door skins, fenders, and front bumper), acrylic glass windows, and other lightweight options, including deleted rear-door window winders, carpeting, radio, sealant, sun visors, armrests, jack, lug wrench, heater, soundproofing, and passenger-side windshield wiper. The cars wore Fairlane 500 trim, and were only offered with the two-door sedan body. This special model, of which 111 to 127 total were made (sources disagree),[who?] delivered 657 hp (490 kW) at 7,500 rpm[11] and was known as the Thunderbolt.

Love it!!    Keep it coming Buddy!                 :peelout:

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