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OCA - Oil Consumption Anonymous

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I think i’m in need of an intervention.  My ‘17 just moved past 2K miles and I had to add my second quart to get to the full marks.  How depressing - my voodoo has a drinking problem. :cry:

I have a couple weeks left to invest in Ford Protect Coverage and giving that some serious thought.  While I insist on wrenching my own whenever possible, I might be better served deferring the upcoming oil service to my local dealer and get my issue documented.  I’m sad and a little depressed believing my Feb. 17 build may suffer from my worst fear - the dreaded oil consumption problem.

Anyone know an appropriate support group?  I could use some positive comments. :shrug:

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We are the support group! 

Are you breaking it in by putting a load on the engine to seat the rings or are you driving around like grandpa?

Sounds like you have the right idea by having the dealer document the consumption. I have read on forums (Coyote and Boss owners) where some have had their motors replaced due to too much oil consumption. 

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2 hours ago, Secondo said:

We are the support group! 

Are you breaking it in by putting a load on the engine to seat the rings or are you driving around like BB?.. 

Sounds like you have the right idea by having the dealer document the consumption. I have read on forums (Coyote and Boss owners) where some have had their motors replaced due to too much oil consumption. 

Fixed it for ya Sean... 

In all seriousness though, man I feel your pain buddy! I’ve been teased on here about not driving my cars spirited. The guys that do the teasing don’t even know me. But let me tell ya, Sean is soooooo right. The break in on these motors is VERY critical. I have 2100 or so on my ‘16 and just changed the oil the first time a month ago or so. It was at full capacity on oil change day (about 1800) and still is. 

I followed the initial break in period of NO MORE THAN 5000RPM’s up to 500 miles, and NO STEADY SPEEDS (to include cruise control) and ROWING THROUGH THE GEARS CONTINUOUSLY all the while. And then after 500, began driving the car “as designed” up and down the entire RPM range. That 8250 scared the crap outta me day one, but soon got comfortable and familiar. 

 Maybe I’m just lucky, or maybe I did the right thing....either way, I was nervous too in the beginning and I agree.....get it documented ASAP!!! 

 

Sorry to hear this man. :cry: 

 Chris 

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Question for Tony (twobjshelbys) on this subject....

Wouldn’t his tailpipe be wet or at minimum, damp with oil and or heavy soot, with this much consumption??? 

 

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1 hour ago, BIKEBOY said:

Question for Tony (twobjshelbys) on this subject....

Wouldn’t his tailpipe be wet or at minimum, damp with oil and or heavy soot, with this much consumption??? 

 

Hard to say.  Noone really knows when the consumption happens.  I suspect that it is at higher RPMs, and unless you're on it right away after starting cold the catalytic converter is probably hot so any unburned oil would probably get consumed by the catalytic. 

This engine is not going to go down well in Ford's history.   Note you still can't buy a Voodoo crate engine.   I suspect the engine is happiest when operating at high RPMs (just like the 427 sideoilers).  In fact, so much so that at least during breakin (and I don't know if the break in instructions say so) that it would be better to operate in a lower gear at higher RPMs.  I wonder if part of the deal is to get the engine operating temp up a little bit.

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I drive it like it’s the last 3 laps and we just went green again. OK...., maybe that’s an exaggeration, but I’m certainly not driving it like BB. ?

I broke it in like Ford instructed and since then been scaring the shit out of the Mrs. every time we’re out in it.  It’s getting run moderately hard on a regular basis.  I don’t lug the engine, I run over 3k rpm even if we’re just flatland cruising (it sings so sweetly).  So I don’t drive it like a geezer, it’s way too much fun for that. I also don’t beat the crap out of it.  I learned a long time ago that being fast doesn’t mean flogging it like a rented mule.  So while it gets to see 7K regularly now that it’s been loosened up, I’m certainly not banging it off the limiter in every upshift.  Also worth noting since I’ve also got a good amount of forged piston cold rattle, I let the oil warm to about 180 before I drive.  I “think” I’ve been doing the things a high-perf engine needs, but maybe I’m completely wrong.

My pipes are always sooted and each washing I have to clean-up with Naptha. I’ve been aware of the problem since before I travelled to Virginia to buy the car, but you place your bets and take your chances, right?   I realize the greater number of units have no oiling issues which is why I’m bummed.  Shit happens. It’ll get fixed.  

I think my biggest concern is having some trunk-monkey do an engine swap for the first time in his career with my car as patient #1.  I spent almost two decades behind the parts counter  at stealerships and I’m hopelessly tainted.  The labor pool is just polluted in my area and I avoid them in favor of wrenching my own.  Maybe FP can add some value on that topic when the time comes.  OR, maybe the process goes so smoothly that I get turned into a believer.  

You place your bets, you takes your chances. ?

 

 

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14 hours ago, BIKEBOY said:

Fixed it for ya Sean... 

In all seriousness though, man I feel your pain buddy! I’ve been teased on here about not driving my cars spirited. The guys that do the teasing don’t even know me. But let me tell ya, Sean is soooooo right. The break in on these motors is VERY critical. I have 2100 or so on my ‘16 and just changed the oil the first time a month ago or so. It was at full capacity on oil change day (about 1800) and still is. 

I followed the initial break in period of NO MORE THAN 5000RPM’s up to 500 miles, and NO STEADY SPEEDS (to include cruise control) and ROWING THROUGH THE GEARS CONTINUOUSLY all the while. And then after 500, began driving the car “as designed” up and down the entire RPM range. That 8250 scared the crap outta me day one, but soon got comfortable and familiar. 

 Maybe I’m just lucky, or maybe I did the right thing....either way, I was nervous too in the beginning and I agree.....get it documented ASAP!!! 

 

Sorry to hear this man. :cry: 

 Chris 

You're absolutely right, Chris.  I don't know anything about you either including your driving style, but i do know you're a good sport.  :victory:

PS: I always stir the box to keep it in the powerband. It's underwhelming below 3K.  My wife doesn't drive it which is why she's going to FPDS in Utah, not me.  She's terrified of it.

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2 hours ago, Grabberlicious said:

I drive it like it’s the last 3 laps and we just went green again. OK...., maybe that’s an exaggeration, but I’m certainly not driving it like BB. ?

I broke it in like Ford instructed and since then been scaring the shit out of the Mrs. every time we’re out in it.  It’s getting run moderately hard on a regular basis.  I don’t lug the engine, I run over 3k rpm even if we’re just flatland cruising (it sings so sweetly).  So I don’t drive it like a geezer, it’s way too much fun for that. I also don’t beat the crap out of it.  I learned a long time ago that being fast doesn’t mean flogging it like a rented mule.  So while it gets to see 7K regularly now that it’s been loosened up, I’m certainly not banging it off the limiter in every upshift.  Also worth noting since I’ve also got a good amount of forged piston cold rattle, I let the oil warm to about 180 before I drive.  I “think” I’ve been doing the things a high-perf engine needs, but maybe I’m completely wrong.

My pipes are always sooted and each washing I have to clean-up with Naptha. I’ve been aware of the problem since before I travelled to Virginia to buy the car, but you place your bets and take your chances, right?   I realize the greater number of units have no oiling issues which is why I’m bummed.  Shit happens. It’ll get fixed.  

I think my biggest concern is having some trunk-monkey do an engine swap for the first time in his career with my car as patient #1.  I spent almost two decades behind the parts counter  at stealerships and I’m hopelessly tainted.  The labor pool is just polluted in my area and I avoid them in favor of wrenching my own.  Maybe FP can add some value on that topic when the time comes.  OR, maybe the process goes so smoothly that I get turned into a believer.  

You place your bets, you takes your chances. ?

 

 

First off, I LOVE the way you write! :salute: Secondly, I too was a parts guy for a couple decades of my life as well. Perhaps you and I are “tainted”? We get to see all the bad and there’s unfortunately ALOT of it out there at some of these stealers. :fear: 

This is the main reason I have two S197’s with outstanding Takata airbag recalls and have ZERO intention of having them replaced. As well, it’s also why I decided to go it alone on the oil changes (it does help having a lift) and NOT having the oil hose recall done...all on my 350. No way I’m letting some lot lizard win the coin toss for who gets to test drive it afterwards! :nonono: 

You know, my ‘faux’ tailpipes are sooty too. I just thought that was from regular emissions. It’s not horrible by any means , just more of a nuisance back there. 

I suppose ya have no choice at this point, but to have it looked at. Perhaps you can scout a few stealers before you decide on one.....ask questions about senior techs...how clean does the shop look, etc.... that’s initially what I did when I first received the recall notice for the oil hose. Well, as it turned out, none of them gave me a warm and fuzzy, so I decided to wait on it. 

Your situation reminds me of piling up your car.......and not really wanting it back after it’s fixed. That’s just me. :( 

Damn dude, I’m sure sorry you’re going through this. I sincerely feel for ya. And thanks for the nice comments above. I appreciate it. 

Chris 

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9 hours ago, Grabberlicious said:

Also worth noting since I’ve also got a good amount of forged piston cold rattle, I let the oil warm to about 180 before I drive.

There seems to be some correlation between engines that have a lot of audible piston slap and engines with excessive oil consumption.

I drive my car gently until the oil is up past 190, and then I have fun.  It warms up more quickly driving it gently than it does idling in the driveway.

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oil consumption on a FPC engine is normal. Some seem to be a lot worse then others and while critical, Break in is not the only cause. I have heard of guys swu=itching to amzoil and having much better luck. I switched but I was not having problems to begin with. Document it and good luck

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I’ve read the same thing as Tim. Amsoil seems to really do the trick. 

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On 7/4/2018 at 3:13 PM, BIKEBOY said:

I’ve read the same thing as Tim. Amsoil seems to really do the trick. 

And now I’m hopelessly conflicted, thank you.  I’m an Amsoil believer since the 1980’s when it was as scarce as CAM2 fuel in my area.  But I’m fortunate enough to have extended family with gear heads on each tree branch and was presented with a case of Amsoil Signature Series spec oil when I bought the car (brother-in-law owns a speed shop/built a spec car for him in 1987).

I may cancel my stealership appointment and do it myself for nothing more than the piece of mind.  The service writer was clueless, the Service Mgr wasn’t there that day, no one knew what oil was required and when I stopped by the parts department yesterday they didn’t have the right filter# in stock or have a parts order from Service.   God, I remember this nonsense like it was yesterday.  Not the warm-and-fuzzy feeling I was hoping for.

I'm gonna buy into Ford Protect this month (another thing I’m conflicted over) and extend out to 2025 since it’ll be around for a while. I suppose if I document the crap out of all I do, I at least have a leg to stand on.

cheers all. 

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First I’m sorry to hear some of you guys are having oil consumption problems with the GT350 engine.

1.       Has anyone been able to document if the problem exists with newer cars?

2.       Also do the cars that use a lot of oil do so from day one?

   I’ll let you guys know if we end up with an oil consumption problem. We have a late build 2017 (July) and have not taken it easy on her. Our first track day was just after we passed the 500 mile mark. I kept the RPM below 6500 that day, reaching 120MPH on the longer straight at Pueblo Motorsports Park CO. We now have just over 2000 miles on our Shelby and the oil is still full.  Also I have added the oil traps on the valve cover to intake lines.

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I have an '18 (chassis J3045) and just passed the 600 mile mark with no discernable oil consumption.  I checked it when new, and the oil level hasn't budged.  I took it easy and broke it in per the manual for the first 100 miles.  I have been a little harder on it since :) and have also added the JLT oil separators on both sides.

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I'm just over 2k miles on my 18R which is daily driven. I kept it under 4k rpms for the first 1000 miles then changed the oil after the break in. Since then the oil level hasn't moved and I check it weekly

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 I have my 2017 just about a year now. Change the oil at 1000 miles and took it easy on it for the first 500 miles and then a little bit after that. Now has 3700 miles on it and I had to put in my first quart. I have never tracked the car, but I do get on it now and then. Probably not as much as some of you guys as I’m 66 years old probably driving it like a geezzer

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I have a 2017 GT350, Manufactured on 9/2017 (H6088) I did not see any oil consumption until 3500 miles

it started at using 1 Qt every 500 miles, now I have 8000 miles and its using 1 QT ever 150 miles now. 
Update. I took it to the dealer and they did the oil consumption test, 

1) oil change 
2) marked the Dipstick
3) Added Leak detector Dye
4) Return around 200 miles later for check up.

I Returned and the Tech found No leaks, The Engine used 1 1/2 qts in 220 miles. 
they called that Excessive oil consumption.  Ford said they will replace the motor.

another one bites the dust..  I really love this car but am I going to once they do this?
the tech said they have never replaced a motor in the GT350, yea that instills confidence... right..

 

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On 10/30/2018 at 11:35 PM, GT350-H6088 said:

I have a 2017 GT350, Manufactured on 9/2017 (H6088) I did not see any oil consumption until 3500 miles

it started at using 1 Qt every 500 miles, now I have 8000 miles and its using 1 QT ever 150 miles now. 
Update. I took it to the dealer and they did the oil consumption test, 

1) oil change 
2) marked the Dipstick
3) Added Leak detector Dye
4) Return around 200 miles later for check up.

I Returned and the Tech found No leaks, The Engine used 1 1/2 qts in 220 miles. 
they called that Excessive oil consumption.  Ford said they will replace the motor.

another one bites the dust..  I really love this car but am I going to once they do this?
the tech said they have never replaced a motor in the GT350, yea that instills confidence... right..

 

Do you have another dealership near by that might be more capable of handling the replacement? I wouldnt want my car to be the Guinea pig for the dealers first motor swap. Worst case you'd have to redo the consumption test for another dealership to do the swap.

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